Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

[shawny]

Either our senior players are overrated, our kids are overrated or both are.

Or some supporters can't see the forest for the trees.......

Anyone that thinks we are not well ahead of where we should be has no clue.

We were a basket case 18 months ago. Sure we have holes BUT remember the sentence I just typed - we were a basket case 18 months ago.

Far from that today despite sitting near the bottom of the ladder.

Not sure what the club needs to do to please some so called supporters.

[kruddler]

Or some supporters can't see the forest for the trees.......

Anyone that thinks we are not well ahead of where we should be has no clue.

We were a basket case 18 months ago. Sure we have holes BUT remember the sentence I just typed - we were a basket case 18 months ago.

Far from that today despite sitting near the bottom of the ladder.

Not sure what the club needs to do to please some so called supporters.

So we are ahead of where we thought we might be? Good. Nobody has said otherwise.

Does that mean we stop trying to improve?
Does that mean we stop trying to fill areas that we are deficient in?
Does that mean we sit back, crack a beer and wait?

Last time we thought we had all our holes filled with kids it was Lucas, Watson, Mitchell and McCarthy.

Still trying to fill those holes today.

Our forwardline was our biggest problem last year. What did we do to fix it in the off-season? Delisted Everitt and picked up Kerr. Not sure that is going to win us any flags.
What happens if McKay doesn't fill a role we desperately need him too? We need to wait another few years until the next, currently undrafted, kid comes on?

We need to be forward thinking and not content with where we are now.

[jeza]

Saints supporters celebrate mediocrity. Go support them.

touché

[madbluboy]

Or some supporters can't see the forest for the trees.......

Anyone that thinks we are not well ahead of where we should be has no clue.

We were a basket case 18 months ago. Sure we have holes BUT remember the sentence I just typed - we were a basket case 18 months ago.

Far from that today despite sitting near the bottom of the ladder.

Not sure what the club needs to do to please some so called supporters.

We're well ahead in 16th place LMAO.

[shawny]

So we are ahead of where we thought we might be? Good. Nobody has said otherwise.

Does that mean we stop trying to improve?
Does that mean we stop trying to fill areas that we are deficient in?
Does that mean we sit back, crack a beer and wait?

Last time we thought we had all our holes filled with kids it was Lucas, Watson, Mitchell and McCarthy.

Still trying to fill those holes today.

Our forwardline was our biggest problem last year. What did we do to fix it in the off-season? Delisted Everitt and picked up Kerr. Not sure that is going to win us any flags.
What happens if McKay doesn't fill a role we desperately need him too? We need to wait another few years until the next, currently undrafted, kid comes on?

We need to be forward thinking and not content with where we are now.

Did I say I was content ? Did I say I didn't want them to try?  :
All I said was we are better placed then i thought we would be and I'm very pleased with the direction we are headed.
Agree and even said it we have holes to fill but who doesn't expect that to be the case 18months from being a basket case.

[PaulP]

We have both a fair amount of potential and a fair amount of deadwood on the list - most of the potential needs to be realized, and most of the deadwood needs to be replaced with something better, then we'll be going somewhere worthwhile.

Until then, we're just waiting and hoping

[LP]

Speaking of which, Simmo's effort from 40 metres yesterday was pretty average.

True, if he's doing that seven years from now we'll be pretty pissed off!

[LP]

"See this is what I don't get"... is a logical argument that is based on fact but doesn't fit your bias against one of our players. Tigers supporters eat their own at the drop of a hat - you should switch. Seriously switch.

Reality is that Casboult is better, but his better is still well below par.

Opposition clubs would let him have the pill in preference to any other player on our list, are they picking on him too?

His one trick is contested marking, but it's worthless as a trick alone, like Warnock's tap work.

You can only go to the well so many times before it runs dry!

[kruddler]

Did I say I was content ? Did I say I didn't want them to try?  :
All I said was we are better placed then i thought we would be and I'm very pleased with the direction we are headed.
Agree and even said it we have holes to fill but who doesn't expect that to be the case 18months from being a basket case.

So i'm the bad guy for pointing out, and trying to fill the holes we have?
Does that mean pointing out the shortcomings of our list, and obviously the players on it, make me 'anti-carlton' for doing so?

A lot of people seem content where we are at. (not specifically you)
Others, like myself, are trying to ensure that we push harder than ever before to make that extra step.

Its easy for a club to get off the bottom of the ladder.
Its extremely difficult for that club to be a genuine contendor soon after.

The work is far from done. Ahead of schedule? Perhaps. Personally i think a lot of people thought we'd be higher up the ladder by now. I used to get shouted down for suggesting this year would be a holding pattern of sorts in terms of ladder position. It's all tracking along nicely as expected IMO.

[Milhanna13]

We're well ahead in 16th place LMAO.

Watched any games??  Its not about ladder position, its about the players playing with a bit of ticker and the kids showing they WILL be good.  A few losses by a kick, turn into wins by a kick, and we are in the 8.  Ladder position is pretty much irrelevant this year.