Rd 15: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide

[thrunthrublu]

I want the club to be successful, so I look forward to your prophecies and beliefs about Bolton being correct, but I don't buy into the "offense only" myth making that surrounds Ratts' tenure.

I didn't say offense only.

[thrunthrublu]

Which brings us to another point

Bolton is nearing the end of his "three year not a contract but permanent employment"  contract.

Do we need to revise this arrangement given we have confidence we have the right man in place?

Yes, i agree.
I agreed with Carlton setting it up the way they did, after what they went through.
But now, i believe he is worthy of comfort, via a traditional contract

[PaulP]

I didn't say offense only.

If I've misquoted you, I apologize. No doubt you would be familiar with the paraphrasing and name calling from that era - one way runners, down hill skiers etc.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Bombers had confidence in Hird.
Collingwood had confidence in Buckley.

Sure things are tracking nicely, but lets not get ahead of ourselves just yet.

I don't think Bolton is the type of guy to do a 'Ross Lyon' on us.

Tend to agree....bit early yet , with contracts comes more pressure and probably targets that have to be achieved .
I'd prefer to leave things as they are and not introduce any perceived pressure at least until he has done 3 years and
we have a bigger sample of his work. No reason to change anything while we are making progress...

[thrunthrublu]

If I've misquoted you, I apologize. No doubt you would be familiar with the paraphrasing and name calling from that era - one way runners, down hill skiers etc.

Its not name calling, it just is what it was.
He had an awesome offensive game, mainly because he had the personnel to deliver it. Some of the most exciting and also some of the most frustrating blues footy i've seen in the last 15 years was from that era.
He took us to a kick within a prelim. There's no person, i would like to see have success more than him- in what ever club shows faith in him

[PaulP]

Its not name calling, it just is what it was.
He had an awesome offensive game, mainly because he had the personnel to deliver it. Some of the most exciting and also some of the most frustrating blues footy i've seen in the last 15 years was from that era.
He took us to a kick within a prelim. There's no person, i would like to see have success more than him- in what ever club shows faith in him

This thread has strayed so far from its origins............however, if I may be excused a little more misdirection :
have a brief look at where we sat for points conceded over the last few seasons (obviously, higher up is worse) :

2012 - 10th

2013 - 10th
2014 - 5th
2015 - 1st

2016 - 9th
2017 (to date) - 9th

To me, Bolton has almost brought us full circle, and we now have a defensive record comparable to Ratten's last season. Yet under Bolton, we are now seen as a tight defensive unit etc., things are looking up etc, yet under Ratts we were a basket case that leaked goals, could only attack and not defend etc.

Well, there's just no accounting for that, except that some myths need to be exposed and shamed for what they really are.

[Tragic]

The thing to remember about Bolts is he & SOS have brought in a lot of youth.  Yes, there's experienced talent leading the way, but there's a lot of kids learning together at once.  It's very difficult to compare the current team with any of our previous teams when they're in very different parts of the lifecycle.  If their mind is on the prize they'll be planning for how we are going to be in the next 1 - 5 years.  It's where we end up that matters.  I have some faith in them, but I'm a pretty trusting kinda guy. 

[PaulP]

The thing to remember about Bolts is he & SOS have brought in a lot of youth.  Yes, there's experienced talent leading the way, but there's a lot of kids learning together at once.  It's very difficult to compare the current team with any of our previous teams when they're in very different parts of the lifecycle.  If their mind is on the prize they'll be planning for how we are going to be in the next 1 - 5 years.  It's where we end up that matters.  I have some faith in them, but I'm a pretty trusting kinda guy.

That's a fair post. I can certainly accept that, but our back 6 are not kids as such - no doubt a couple of them are young. No doubt the mids and the forwards have plenty who got out of nappies five minutes ago.

[thrunthrublu]

This thread has strayed so far from its origins............however, if I may be excused a little more misdirection :
have a brief look at where we sat for points conceded over the last few seasons (obviously, higher up is worse) :

2012 - 10th

2013 - 10th
2014 - 5th
2015 - 1st

2016 - 9th
2017 (to date) - 9th

To me, Bolton has almost brought us full circle, and we now have a defensive record comparable to Ratten's last season. Yet under Bolton, we are now seen as a tight defensive unit etc., things are looking up etc, yet under Ratts we were a basket case that leaked goals, could only attack and not defend etc.

Well, there's just no accounting for that, except that some myths need to be exposed and shamed for what they really are.

to be fair to bolton, he doesn't have judd, garlett, betts (or bootsma)at his disposal.

[JonHenry]

This thread has strayed so far from its origins............however, if I may be excused a little more misdirection :
have a brief look at where we sat for points conceded over the last few seasons (obviously, higher up is worse) :

2012 - 10th

2013 - 10th
2014 - 5th
2015 - 1st

2016 - 9th
2017 (to date) - 9th

To me, Bolton has almost brought us full circle, and we now have a defensive record comparable to Ratten's last season. Yet under Bolton, we are now seen as a tight defensive unit etc., things are looking up etc, yet under Ratts we were a basket case that leaked goals, could only attack and not defend etc.

Well, there's just no accounting for that, except that some myths need to be exposed and shamed for what they really are.

Surely you are joking.
You are trying to compare those two teams?
One was favourite to win a flag, the other was favourite to win a spoon.
It is no myth, our defensive pressure under ratten was poor.