2017 Rd 7: pre game protestations Carlton vs Collingwood

[Baggers]

Cuningham will have to maintain a higher work rate throughout games before he is considered.

His best is very good but he goes missing too often at the moment.

Absolutely. Cuningham is the ultimate tease. His inconsistency is becoming a major flaw in his game. But his best is seriously good.

Boekhorst has past Cuningham and a more likely replacement for ZF.

[laj]

Absolutely. Cuningham is the ultimate tease. His inconsistency is becoming a major flaw in his game. But his best is seriously good.

Boekhorst has past Cuningham and a more likely replacement for ZF.

Hopefully it's because he's still 19 and that improves as he develops.

[cookie2]

Hopefully it's because he's still 19 and that improves as he develops.

The upside is that our development environment now looks to be much improved so I'm optimistic for him if he has the inbuilt talent.

[blue4life]

Love him or hate him Jones has earned another shot at it, picking Kerr ahead of him would be crazy.
Thomas, Kerridge or Boekhorst for Fisher I guess, probably Thomas.

[DJC]

The upside is that our development environment now looks to be much improved so I'm optimistic for him if he has the inbuilt talent.

The other side of the coin is that we're putting a lot more work into players before they're drafted.  Several times in last year's and this year's "The Journey" you'll hear Bolton and/or SOS talking about good character.  I remember SOS saying that Charlie Curnow was from a 'good family' after the drink driving incident.

Draft the right players and the development side isn't that difficult.

Of course, we have ramped up our development staff, but we are giving them better youngsters to work with.

[cookie2]

The other side of the coin is that we're putting a lot more work into players before they're drafted.  Several times in last year's and this year's "The Journey" you'll hear Bolton and/or SOS talking about good character.  I remember SOS saying that Charlie Curnow was from a 'good family' after the drink driving incident.

Draft the right players and the development side isn't that difficult.

Of course, we have ramped up our development staff, but we are giving them better youngsters to work with.

Agree - selecting the right material is crucial.

[BlueDamon]

It's interesting to compare the effect of ASOS and Daisy in the backline. Both are mature players, whose leadership and roles as 'generals' down there are (reasonably) commonly acknowledged or, in ASOS's case, anticipated. Talk is that Alex was brought in last week, specifically to do the job on Franklin and I've seen comments suggesting he won't retain his spot in the absence of such a role. Yet, to hear Marchy raving about how much he loved playing with him, in his RS nomination week, can't be ignored. I'm no Daisy-hater and in fact I'm one who does appreciate his influence, but I just can't see how (a) we'd ever want to play them both in the same side or (b) why you'd take Daisy over Alex at this stage.

It's an interesting one, because they are obviously very different players, but I think their real value is the same - leadership/guidance to a young defensive group as they develop. I think we've got to keep Alex, just because of that relentless, beast-like example he provides, over Daisy's (no doubt helpful) pointing and direction-giving.

And, for the Filth, he has that frightening closing speed that'll make even their smaller forwards a little tetchy.

[flyboy77]

And he tackles uber hard, with a crunch.

[flyboy77]

It's interesting to compare the effect of ASOS and Daisy in the backline. Both are mature players, whose leadership and roles as 'generals' down there are (reasonably) commonly acknowledged or, in ASOS's case, anticipated. Talk is that Alex was brought in last week, specifically to do the job on Franklin and I've seen comments suggesting he won't retain his spot in the absence of such a role. Yet, to hear Marchy raving about how much he loved playing with him, in his RS nomination week, can't be ignored. I'm no Daisy-hater and in fact I'm one who does appreciate his influence, but I just can't see how (a) we'd ever want to play them both in the same side or (b) why you'd take Daisy over Alex at this stage.

It's an interesting one, because they are obviously very different players, but I think their real value is the same - leadership/guidance to a young defensive group as they develop. I think we've got to keep Alex, just because of that relentless, beast-like example he provides, over Daisy's (no doubt helpful) pointing and direction-giving.

And, for the Filth, he has that frightening closing speed that'll make even their smaller forwards a little tetchy.

+1. Great post.

[PaulP]

It's interesting to compare the effect of ASOS and Daisy in the backline. Both are mature players, whose leadership and roles as 'generals' down there are (reasonably) commonly acknowledged or, in ASOS's case, anticipated. Talk is that Alex was brought in last week, specifically to do the job on Franklin and I've seen comments suggesting he won't retain his spot in the absence of such a role. Yet, to hear Marchy raving about how much he loved playing with him, in his RS nomination week, can't be ignored. I'm no Daisy-hater and in fact I'm one who does appreciate his influence, but I just can't see how (a) we'd ever want to play them both in the same side or (b) why you'd take Daisy over Alex at this stage.

It's an interesting one, because they are obviously very different players, but I think their real value is the same - leadership/guidance to a young defensive group as they develop. I think we've got to keep Alex, just because of that relentless, beast-like example he provides, over Daisy's (no doubt helpful) pointing and direction-giving.

And, for the Filth, he has that frightening closing speed that'll make even their smaller forwards a little tetchy.

I don't agree with the idea that he is a Buddy specialist and therefore should not get another gig until a similar player is named for the oppo. If he can go a good job on the most athletic and most damaging forward in the comp, why can't he do an even better job on lesser forwards ? Are any of his attributes ill suited to such a task ? Don't tell me, it's depriving the kiddies of games.

And I'm not sure Daisy is exclusively a back line player - he tends to play where needed, doing as you say, a similar thing to Alex.

I think both can play in the same team no probs, but not in the same back line.

Just my devalued 2 bob's worth.