Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

[Gointocarlton]

Gibbs has admitted in the past to perhaps not giving his footy 100% commitment, and his apparent lack of intensity at times drive many supporter nuts.  Yep, decent trade and he's gawn.

Good luck on Touhy for doing well at Geelong....  easier to play there with than with us ATM.  But Frankly, he played full seasons in 2015 and 2016 and although winning a coaches team gong, he didn't impress and his running around for us this year would have not made one iota of difference to the results thus far (other than keeping MacCreadie or Williamson out).  I guess the question is why he failed to deliver his best with us and had to go elsewhere to show it; when he played with us he looked like Tarzan and played like Jane.  I've never seen such a heavy-bodied player so easily beaten by small marking opponents, once the ball is above his eye line he panics.

BTW DJC,  of the current crew Cripps is not adverse to sinking the shoulder in when tackling.  In the game that Gibbs slung that player, every Port player that tried to square up got Crippered and they didn't like it.

My understanding is that Cripps gave Lewis a good little clip behind the ear before he whacked him in the jaw.

[LP]

That's a big if.
What if they fall short and the perception is they need one more quality mid but didn't do the deal when they had the chance?
You don't get many cracks at it and if you are close, you need to put the finishing touches on your list.
They obviously think he is of value or they wouldn't have had a crack last year.

I think the way Sloane is playing has already diminished Gibbs value, Gibbs would almost be a backup there now with the way Hampton, Laird, Crouch x 2 and Atkins are playing!

You'd think to get Gibbs the Crows would have to let one of that group go, which one do you think they'd be willing to part with now to get hold of a 29 year old?

[BluePhantom]

I'd say that would be when Gibbs got done for a sling tackle.

He didn't mean to do that.
I'm talking about a Carlton player that has lined someone up and deliberately taken them out.

[ElwoodBlues1]

That's a big if.
What if they fall short and the perception is they need one more quality mid but didn't do the deal when they had the chance?
You don't get many cracks at it and if you are close, you need to put the finishing touches on your list.
They obviously think he is of value or they wouldn't have had a crack last year.

Their younger mids have stepped up, Gibbs is a year older and in share terms is trading on a high PE ratio and is overvalued.....
Lewis got three years with Melbourne, is a proven better player than Gibbs and the trade value for Hawthorn was pitiful.....

Crouch Bros had 30 plus possies each vs GC, Atkins had 29....IMO Gibbs will be lucky to get another big offer from the Crows.....
And anyone doubting Mick Barlows abilities to help the likes of Cripps he had 36 possies in a team that were pumped by the best team in the comp...

[Gointocarlton]

And right on cue:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/te...ce278537d4

Its interesting when you look at figures like this how many top liners appear in the list.

MOST CLANGER + INEFFECTIVE KICKS
Dustin Martin 40
Bryce Gibbs 34
Adam Treloar 33
Andrew Gaff 33
Dayne Zorko 31
Marc Murphy 31
Zach Merrett 31
Gary Ablett 31
Dylan Shiel 30
Trent Cotchin 29

MOST TURNOVERS
Adam Treloar 28
Tom Mitchell 28
Matt Crouch 26
Taylor Adams 25
Dustin Martin 24
Nathan Jones 24
Jake Lloyd 24
Patrick Dangerfield 24
Zach Merrett 24
Marc Murphy 29

[PaulP]

And right on cue:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/te...ce278537d4

Its interesting when you look at figures like this how many top liners appear in the list.

MOST CLANGER + INEFFECTIVE KICKS
Dustin Martin 40
Bryce Gibbs 34
Adam Treloar 33
Andrew Gaff 33
Dayne Zorko 31
Marc Murphy 31
Zach Merrett 31
Gary Ablett 31
Dylan Shiel 30
Trent Cotchin 29

MOST TURNOVERS
Adam Treloar 28
Tom Mitchell 28
Matt Crouch 26
Taylor Adams 25
Dustin Martin 24
Nathan Jones 24
Jake Lloyd 24
Patrick Dangerfield 24
Zach Merrett 24
Marc Murphy 29

Those are the players that tend to have the most disposals for their respective teams, so not necessarily a surprise. I'd be interested to see the disposal efficiency for these players, and whether there is any correlation between higher DE and more successful teams.

[PaulP]

The other thing that would be interesting is to see these stats on a team-wide basis i.e which team has the most clangers, ineffective kicks and turnovers, which would give a clear picture of whether the malaise is team wide, or restricted to certain individuals. This would give an idea of the connection between sender and receiver, and the understanding that exists (or doesn't) between players.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Trading Cripps/Weitering. wtf!?

Wow, that would be a quick way to destroy whats left of this once mighty Club....

Agreed, if the price is right, trade Gibbs, Muphy and Kreuzer so long as the replacements are better!!

Agree...going trade crazy hoping to pick up 4 picks for 2 stars of the future for example etc is not only soul destroying for supporters but not playing the odds..
We need to get Cripps some help because he is banged up and doing all the heavy lifting and Weitering needs a rest and returned to CHB where he can
learn more about senior footy and get some confidence back in a position he knows better than most and be the leader we expect him to be...
We turned Andrew Walker into a banged up no position to call his own player by trouble shooting every problem we had with him and I fear Weitering will get the same treatment.
Time to ditch the Weitering swingman idea and give the kid a break, we have a 204cm CHF in the VFL doing well....where is the logic in seeing Weitering smashed each week and now some want to trade him out because he isnt doing so well... >
SOS should have got Cripps some help and recruited at least one more big bodied mid, the signs were there last season he was sore and its been a list management mistake...

[Micky0]

Let's all calm down.

Trading Weitering and Cripps will Lose CFC a huge amount of members - including my family.

We look to have recuited well let's just all take a deep breath and see how the year pans out.

[Spanner_smf2_import2]

Gee the Gibbs/Murphy dynamic duo have really shown their worth since Cripps has been injured.

F*cking disgrace the pair of them. Who saw Murphy sh*t himself fearing contact to then cough up a hand ball in panic to basically hand Geelong their first goal. Soft C*CK extraordinaire!

Can't wait until both these guys are no longer at the club. I'm over their piss poor effort and selective attitude.

Murphy should also be stripped of the captaincy. He's not a captain's arsehole...