VFL 2017 Round #2: Carlton vs Williamstown

[shawny]

Oh please! Clearly I was taking the p155. ????

If you think jones will play on franklin you've got rocks in your head. He may well come in but it won't be to play on their number 1 forward unless he runs on ball.

I'm with you Jeffy.

Jones is not a senior footballer - as i thought we all knew he will serve his final year playing with the NB.....he will only be considered if we are decimated with injuries otherwise he will stay put. He has had 3 years (3 years too long)with us and produced SFA. 

Any consideration for this hack to play on the most damaging forward in the last 10 years is comical.

[Gointocarlton]

I'm with you Jeffy.

Jones is not a senior footballer - as i thought we all knew he will serve his final year playing with the NB.....he will only be considered if we are decimated with injuries otherwise he will stay put. He has had 3 years (3 years too long)with us and produced SFA. 

Any consideration for this hack to play on the most damaging forward in the last 10 years is comical.

Jones is a conundrum for mine, I haven't completely given up on him yet (I'm pretty close). At 198cm/98kg/26yo, there may be just the slightest chance it is a maturity thing. Its not like we have an over abundance of big KPs busting down the selection door. I would never have picked him to play the game he did vs Willi. Who's to say he cant come in and do special roles for us? He is incredibly resilient (injury wise) and does throw himself around at times, he needs to bring it every week though. Look he is probably done and dusted and our club but you never know.

[Jeffy38]

Not arguing that he may deserve another (final) crack at it, however to throw him into the 1s onto Lance Franklin would not be fair on him.

I agree with other comments that he may come in for Weiters and give Kroozer a chop out in the ruck.

[Thryleon]

If they are on the list, then what is the point of retaining them if they are not going to get a game?

Why wouldnt you put Jones on Buddy to play a role, if the other talls are currently a bad matchup?

Why wouldnt you put Jones to pinch hit into the ruck, if Phillips can barely run around for a half, Kreuzer is still "sore" and you dont want to slaughter Harry Mckay so early into his career?

Because he has no future in the game??  Thats not the right reason to exclude anyone who is currently on our list.  We may as well have paid the bloke out last season, parted ways with him, and then recruited a new player.  We still might do this at the end of this year, but if he manages to reignite his AFL career, we might even find someone who wants to trade with us for his services, and whilst that might seem farfetched, Hawthorn went and picked up Ty Vickery.  Its not impossible.  We only stand to lose, by ignoring players putting their hand up for selection and then ignoring them. It sends the wrong message to all and sundry and only cuts off your nose to spite your face.

If they are on the list, and havent retired they should be viewed as a senior player irrespective of when they are getting games.


One thing I am quickly learning about our reset, is that our football club isn't the only thing that needs to change.

[Jeffy38]

Hey Thry - good post, not sure if that post was directed at me?

Anyways, I'm all for giving Jones a go and agree 100% there is no point retaining players if there is no chance in them playing seniors.

My only point is we want to promote players to the seniors and give them every chance of success in the role - which i dont think with respect would be Jones on Franklin.

Ive got faith the coaches will make the right choice match-ups, just dont think jones would be first cab off the rank for franklin. Things would need to have gone seriously bad for that match up to occur IMO. Rowe and Marchbank would be better options.

[LP]

If they are on the list, then what is the point of retaining them if they are not going to get a game?

Why wouldnt you put Jones on Buddy to play a role, if the other talls are currently a bad matchup?

Why wouldnt you put Jones to pinch hit into the ruck, if Phillips can barely run around for a half, Kreuzer is still "sore" and you dont want to slaughter Harry Mckay so early into his career?

Because he has no future in the game??  Thats not the right reason to exclude anyone who is currently on our list.  We may as well have paid the bloke out last season, parted ways with him, and then recruited a new player.  We still might do this at the end of this year, but if he manages to reignite his AFL career, we might even find someone who wants to trade with us for his services, and whilst that might seem farfetched, Hawthorn went and picked up Ty Vickery.  Its not impossible.  We only stand to lose, by ignoring players putting their hand up for selection and then ignoring them. It sends the wrong message to all and sundry and only cuts off your nose to spite your face.

If they are on the list, and havent retired they should be viewed as a senior player irrespective of when they are getting games.


One thing I am quickly learning about our reset, is that our football club isn't the only thing that needs to change.

I won't be giving up on Jones yet, his first few VFL games this year have shown a significant change, will that translate to AFL who knows?

I keep reminding myself he is only 26, and rumors now have him at 199cm tall and 102kg. The level of ground work he has done in the VFL in the first two games is Kreuzer like. That's worth something, worth persisting with for now anyway. I suspect coaches and selectors want to see that persist for more than just a game or two before he gets a run, because from my perspective based on that sort of effort he would have been better value than Phillips who gave us nothing at ground level.

I've argued often before, regarding Warnock, regarding Hampson, taps mean nothing for ruckmen if they don't come accompanied by marking, tackling, shepherds, blocks, positioning, intimidation and territory! Jones gave the NBs almost all that including a reasonable result on the tap work, last weekend Phillips was Warnock like and I find that more worrying than Jones' lack of clear tap work!

At the moment Jones has a touch of Setanta about him!

Fwiw, if Matthew Watson had shown the sort of commitment to work and change that Jones has, he'd probably still be around too!

[Pratty]

I mentioned it in another thread this morning, I would be keen to see Jones play on Franklin.

Reckon as a key back, he could become something. I'd like to see us find out FWIW.

[flyboy77]

Philips was underdone, massively!

What one game back from a lengthy stint on the sidelines....probably shouldn't have been picked imo...

[jeza]

If they are on the list, then what is the point of retaining them if they are not going to get a game?

Why wouldnt you put Jones on Buddy to play a role, if the other talls are currently a bad matchup?

Why wouldnt you put Jones to pinch hit into the ruck, if Phillips can barely run around for a half, Kreuzer is still "sore" and you dont want to slaughter Harry Mckay so early into his career?

Because he has no future in the game??  Thats not the right reason to exclude anyone who is currently on our list.  We may as well have paid the bloke out last season, parted ways with him, and then recruited a new player.  We still might do this at the end of this year, but if he manages to reignite his AFL career, we might even find someone who wants to trade with us for his services, and whilst that might seem farfetched, Hawthorn went and picked up Ty Vickery.  Its not impossible.  We only stand to lose, by ignoring players putting their hand up for selection and then ignoring them. It sends the wrong message to all and sundry and only cuts off your nose to spite your face.

If they are on the list, and havent retired they should be viewed as a senior player irrespective of when they are getting games.


One thing I am quickly learning about our reset, is that our football club isn't the only thing that needs to change.

I think the club should have paid him out. There is very little chance of him getting a game with younger talls needing exposure.

[jeza]

Philips was underdone, massively!

What one game back from a lengthy stint on the sidelines....probably shouldn't have been picked imo...

We needed a ruckman as Kreuzer was out. The club wouldn't have wanted to play him but the only other option is Korcheck who seems a long way of AFL level.