2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

[blue4life]

It was a terribly disappointing effort regardless of how many kids we played.
There was one small period of the game where we had 5 deliberate shots on goal for 5 points at a time when we were well behind but having the better of play, what small glimmer of hope there was was snuffed out then and there.
We have a losing mentality and I doubt that the players went into last night honestly expecting to win the game, that will be the hardest thing to turn around.
I seemed to remember that Phillips could play a bit but he didn't look remotely like a footballer last night, in fact his game was Hampsonesque in parts.
Armfield should have played, I've never rated him very highly but he's quick and tough and he would have been handy, he should get a game against Sydney.
Polson didn't look anywhere near ready for senior footy and Weitering looks less than enthusiastic, I'll be surprised if he's still at Carlton in three years from now.
The only bright spot is that Daisy is off the hook for a week at least, but it's a long, hard road ahead.

[Gointocarlton]

i'm not going to bogged the thread down in crap like you're prone to do at times. Just pointing out how things can change with a very young side within a few years. That Hawthorn side was an exception too in relation to class yet had to go through the same pain rebuilding.  They finished 3rd last that year, 2pts ahead of us. Ended up a super side down the track. I'm sure St.Kilda went through crap early 2000s to and made 2 GFs, GWS had similar to what GC had and look at them. Maybe GC were the exception! Actually they weren't but the 2005 Hawks weren't an exception either, just exceptional. Goes both ways.

A mate told me Leigh Matthews was on radio this morning talking about how young their side was and the beltings they copped just prior to going on to win 3 premierships. I am told he stated he deliberately played kids to expose them and toughen them up. Old school? Perhaps. Did it work? my farken oath it did.

[PaulP]

A mate told me Leigh Matthews was on radio this morning talking about how young their side was and the beltings they copped just prior to going on to win 3 premierships. I am told he stated he deliberately played kids to expose them and toughen them up. Old school? Perhaps. Did it work? my farken oath it did.

R8, 2001 - CFC 142, BL 68 - Bastards went on to win the flag. I was hoping it would be us.

[Gointocarlton]

R8, 2001 - CFC 142, BL 68 - Bastards went on to win the flag. I was hoping it would be us.

I remember that game like it was yesterday, was in the car driving in country Victoria listening to it on radio. They didnt lose a game after that flogging.

[kruddler]

I remember that game like it was yesterday, was in the car driving in country Victoria listening to it on radio. They didnt lose a game after that flogging.

Me too.

It was my mates 21st. We died his hair Blue (he was a lions supporter).

FWIW, Lions did lose another game, 1, just, late in the season.
It was certainly the last flogging they received before their 3-peat though.

[LordLucifer]

Some of the older players were shown up tonight for their real worth to the team, clearly they are on a limited tenure. I reckon Cripps is carrying an injury, he was grimacing a lot tonight. Gibbs wanted to just do his waving arms routine all night instead of getting his shorts dirty. Simon White annoyed me immensely due to his constant giving up the chase when we were under siege.

The young guys struggled but kept fighting it out even though they were badly outclassed.

Some supporters will be all bitter & twisted over a loss of this proportion but you have to expect the occasional blowout whilst the players grow & develop. Whilst it hurts to get smacked in that manner, its what you learn from the result that is of real importance IMO.

The green shoots weren't as obvious tonite but if they are hurting after that loss, then we will be okay in the future.

By the way, don't beat yourself up over this game, take a deep breath and keep thinking about how bright our future really is even though you may not be able to see it right now.

[cookie2]

R8, 2001 - CFC 142, BL 68 - Bastards went on to win the flag. I was hoping it would be us.

Yep, I was at that game. I remember Akermanis saying how it was seared into their souls and how they channe!ed their hatred of us into a winning mindset.

[LordLucifer]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/04/22/b...-our-kids/

Carlton coach Brendon Bolton is confident that the club’s 90 point loss to Port Adelaide on Friday night will be a valuable learning experience for the raft of Blues youngsters that took to the field at Adelaide Oval.

Bolton’s decision to rest experienced players Matthew Krezuer and Dale Thomas due to soreness and instead play debutant Cameron Poulson and 30-game ruckman Andrew Phillips was met with shock by both supporters and the media, with the prevailing belief that the Blues would play a more experienced team when outside Victoria to help the young side restrict the potential losing margin.

Bolton stood by his selection table choices despite the ugly result, believing the experience of playing in a hostile environment against fancied opposition will be a valuable lesson to the club’s younger players.
“I just thought it was too good of an opportunity for our youngsters to miss. Friday night footy, hostile environment, big crowd,” he told SEN’s Crunch Time.

“In time, it is a long game and it should pay us back… these youngsters have been doing well in the VFL and we think they deserve this opportunity (at AFL level).”

[Thryleon]

Direct footy was mentioned somewhere in this thread.

It's a double edged sword to go direct.

Opponents read it quickly and set up for it.

You have to have a good forwardline to capitalise and good forward pressure, and good organisation behind the ball in order to prevent quick counter attacks. 

None of that is true of our team currently except for our defence and so we are trying something else.  That is that you cannot concede whilst you have the ball, and you make your opposition block the defence with numbers resulting in them locking themselves in defence for you.  Where we are currently getting burnt is not lowering the eyes and hitting targets inside forward fifty which means that the above isn't eventuating.

Patience.  This is the key.

Direct footy is exciting but it results in end to end stuff where physical prowess decides games.  That's not our go, so we don't play that way,and rightly so.

[PaulP]

I think Bolts is trying to do a mini Hawks with the team - short, precise kicking, keepings off, waiting for the right option etc. But we're not up to it, pure and simple. Bolton keeps using the word connection, and makes repeated reference to the teams lack of connection. Hopefully he can get us to play that way, but I'm not hopeful.

The simple fact is that any team can only hold on to the ball for so long before they cough it up. 30-40 seconds of playing kick and catch in your own half is 30-40 seconds wasted IMO.

It's a game that invites chaos - the ball bounce is variable, all the ground are different proportions / sizes, players can come at you from any direction, no offside etc. Why not embrace the chaos ? There's a fine line between too much order and too little. I think Bolton is over compensating to be honest.