Melbourne CBD Incident

[cookie2]

Lack of parenting is a tough one. Times have changed a lot.  It is now rare that kid get two parents at home at night,  they are more regularly coming from broken families and a constantly on their screens.  It is rare for both parents not to be working as housing (including rent) is so expensive.  The responsibility and pressure on kids is much greater than it was only 20-30 years ago.  Added to this is a rapidly changing online environment that a huge amount of parents don't understand, let alone know how to regulate with their kids.

Then we get migrants from a background that is impovished or war torn and expect them to fit into our society.  It isn't that easy.  I remember the non english speaking Greeks at primary school - it takes a generation or so to get into the swing of Australia.

There is no easy solution to any of this,  but it requires a tougher bail, parole, post release support as well as education and support of people vulnerable to the justice system.

My wife will attest to this Dodge. She was a high school teacher and the lack of effective parenting with some of the kids was all too apparent. This was evidenced by disruptive behaviour and other issues on which teachers had to spend valuable time, detracting from more constructive activities.

[kruddler]

If the government wants to fix problems with parenting, it should try and limit the people who can become parents.
Too many deadbeats are pumping out a cricket team worth of kids when they are struggling to afford their carton of durries every week.

Now i don't suspect this is an easy fix, or one that will even be attempted, but it would be an effective one.

[chalkybill]

Lack of parenting is a tough one. Times have changed a lot.  It is now rare that kid get two parents at home at night,  they are more regularly coming from broken families and a constantly on their screens.  It is rare for both parents not to be working as housing (including rent) is so expensive.  The responsibility and pressure on kids is much greater than it was only 20-30 years ago.  Added to this is a rapidly changing online environment that a huge amount of parents don't understand, let alone know how to regulate with their kids.

Then we get migrants from a background that is impovished or war torn and expect them to fit into our society.  It isn't that easy.  I remember the non english speaking Greeks at primary school - it takes a generation or so to get into the swing of Australia.

There is no easy solution to any of this,  but it requires a tougher bail, parole, post release support as well as education and support of people vulnerable to the justice system.

Yes we have many more single parent families, duel income families, immigrants etc. but I taught a family of girls who on Friday nights were consistently lined up against the house passage wall and who in turn had a gun placed under their chin by their dad while he asked each one to give him a reason not to pull the trigger.  Very few worse cases I would think.  But those girls all became excellent students and great people.  It took just one parent, the mother, to put in time with them to succeed where many now fail miserably today.

[DJC]

Yes we have many more single parent families, duel income families, immigrants etc. but I taught a family of girls who on Friday nights were consistently lined up against the house passage wall and who in turn had a gun placed under their chin by their dad while he asked each one to give him a reason not to pull the trigger.  Very few worse cases I would think.  But those girls all became excellent students and great people.  It took just one parent, the mother, to put in time with them to succeed where many now fail miserably today.

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That certainly places my childhood into perspective!

[flyboy77]

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That certainly places my childhood into perspective!

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[Thryleon]

It is the LACK OF PARENTING that is the problem.  Schools (and Education Departments) try to make up for it but can't.

This is a societal issue for various reasons.

The saying it takes a village to raise a child doesn't come from no where yet a by product of how we live means that anyone with differing input on how to raise a family is drowned out by the pc brigade these days.

As a consequence in the past where others would step up to help in lieu of a crappy parent they no longer can because of how we live.

I suspect greater family ties are the answer.

[shawny]

All this talk about how to avoid a situation like this is in my opinion rubbish.

Sadly there will always be criminals. nutcases, serial killers, terrorists, pedophiles etc regardless of improved parenting or education.

This world has and always will be of all sorts of people - majority good, some bad and minority awful and capable of serious crimes against law abiding citizens.   

All you can do IMO is get extra tough on these sorts of characters by protecting the public more as soon as they stuff up once with a serious crime. The majority of serious crimes are done by criminals that are known to police and many times out on bail.

The majority of sentencing for serious crimes is way to soft - about half what I think they should be. Life sentence for first degree murder should be set at 50 years not 25 for example.

Sadly it wont happen as the longer a criminal is housed the more it costs the state. Death penalty is the option but i know many disagree with taking a life regardless.

I'm not one of them. Just listen to the paramedic who worked on the poor innocent 10 year old girl in Bourke St. I was a mess when I heard this man speak about not being able to save her and her just staring at him... :'( :'(

And to think the animal responsible for not only taking her life but destroying her family forever is allowed to still breath, be fed for free, watch TV, have a computer and have a roof over his head and for free is so wrong IMO.     




 


       

[Thryleon]

All this talk about how to avoid a situation like this is in my opinion rubbish.

Sadly there will always be criminals. nutcases, serial killers, terrorists, pedophiles etc regardless of improved parenting or education.

This world has and always will be of all sorts of people - majority good, some bad and minority awful and capable of serious crimes against law abiding citizens.   

All you can do IMO is get extra tough on these sorts of characters by protecting the public more as soon as they stuff up once with a serious crime. The majority of serious crimes are done by criminals that are known to police and many times out on bail.

The majority of sentencing for serious crimes is way to soft - about half what I think they should be. Life sentence for first degree murder should be set at 50 years not 25 for example.

Sadly it wont happen as the longer a criminal is housed the more it costs the state. Death penalty is the option but i know many disagree with taking a life regardless.

I'm not one of them. Just listen to the paramedic who worked on the poor innocent 10 year old girl in Bourke St. I was a mess when I heard this man speak about not being able to save her and her just staring at him... :'( :'(

And to think the animal responsible for not only taking her life but destroying her family forever is allowed to still breath, be fed for free, watch TV, have a computer and have a roof over his head and for free is so wrong IMO.     




 


     

Shawny, I have highlighted this point in bold to try and understand something.

Are people born bad eggs, or do they become that way?

[kruddler]

Are people born bad eggs, or do they become that way?

Nature vs Nurture

[Thryleon]

If its in their nature, can they be nurtured?

Or are they lost causes from the get go?

Im trying to understand something here, and I cannot figure out for the life of me why some people proceed through life one way yet their siblings go a completely different route and sure there are learning components for parenting in the process as the very few examples I can show you are the eldest children being the ones who stuff up more, yet in one family, 4 kids, we have the eldest and youngest both being terrors and the middle children being "good" kids, which makes me wonder if they are not shaped more by their experiences with their peers than the parenting.

IMHO, parenting is the easy target.  Ive yet to meet too many parents who "don't care" about their kids and as a consequence they turn into bad eggs, but I've met plenty who are molly coddled and turn into terrors.  (Note, the perpetrator of the bourke street incident is very much next level to anything I have witnessed.)