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(08-15-2016, 01:55 AM)shadesy link Wrote:Lol
In our losing Streak:
Saints - Hickey 2 Goals, in Bests
GWS - Mumford - 2nd BOG
Collingwood - Grundy 2 goals, Second BOG
Adelaide - Jacobs 3 goals, in Bests
Hawks - Ceglar 2 goals, McEvoy 1
Saints x 2 - Hickey 1 goal
Brisbane - Archie Smith, first ever goal.
Lets not froget what Tippet and Sinclair did in round 2 (7 goals) and Goldy did.
We get smashed in the Ruck every week, time to cut Krueze loose and see what Phillips can do as the Number 1.
Don't care what ruckman we drop as long as we drop one. Having an extra runner rather than a lumbering ruckman is surely a no-brainer.
Kreuzer for years has been a consistently better player when he's the only ruckman. Not necessarily tapout-wise but lifts 3 cogs around the ground including tackles. Got 11 of those against Geelong. You can always win clearances against the losing ruck. That's what we miss from our rucks, around the ground output. Kreuzer at least improved in that aspect in the 2nd half and got 14 touches but is generally crap when he shares. Phillips was useless and touched it 5 times.
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Which of the serious finals contenders run with only one genuine ruck option?
It seems there are very few examples that support your argument, just look at last weekend!
Hawthorn - McEvoy/Ceglar
Sydney - Nankervis/Naismith
Adelaide - O'Brien/Jenkins
Geelong - Stanley/Smith + Biclavs
GWS - Mumford/Lobb + Paton
WC - Naitanui/Lycett
Bulldogs - Roughead/Boyd
North - Goldstein/Daw
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(08-15-2016, 04:27 AM)LP link Wrote:Which of the serious finals contenders run with only one genuine ruck option?
It seems there are very few examples that support your argument, just look at last weekend!
Hawthorn - McEvoy/Ceglar
Sydney - Nankervis/Naismith
Adelaide - O'Brien/Jenkins
Geelong - Stanley/Smith + Biclavs
GWS - Mumford/Lobb + Paton
WC - Naitanui/Lycett
Bulldogs - Roughead/Boyd
North - Goldstein/Daw
Sides are different and you select them to your strength but because it's the done thing to pick two.
Anyway, Daw only plays when Waite is out. Boyd is a key forward, didn't pay 1 miillion a year to ruck, Jenkins is mostly a key forward. Sydney will play Tippett when he's back, Paton will always offer something good as a forward. Hawthorn are key positionless due to illness and injury but last year had Hale, who was a good as a key forward as he was a ruck. Using your names there has thoroughly convinced me we use one ruckman and Casboult, same as those sides above. Thank you for confirming what I think.
2 rucks is ok if they are mobile and do alot around the ground, goddamn friggen useless if they do nothing as you're one man down the whole game. At Carlton, who in their right mind would play two rucks when you can pick another runner and increase your run around the ground. Anyone who knows anything at all about football Casboult can take up the slack as he has done before for a few years pretty well, and where he plays some of his best footy in that dual role. Happy to lose a few tapouts for better round the ground output. Many sides win the clearances against losing rucks.
What would you prefer, two lumbering useless ruckmen or one and an extra runner? By having one you'll increase both the output of Kreuzer, Casboult as well as giving us good run with the extra midfielder. What do you think? You couldn't possibly say two useless lumbering ruckman, if you do, well......
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(08-15-2016, 04:53 AM)laj link Wrote:Sides are different and you select them to your strength but because it's the done thing to pick two.
Anyway, Daw only plays when Waite is out. Boyd is a key forward, didn't pay 1 miillion a year to ruck, Jenkins is mostly a key forward. Sydney will play Tippett when he's back, Paton will always offer something good as a forward. Hawthorn are key positionless due to illness and injury but last year had Hale, who was a good as a key forward as he was a ruck. Using your names there has thoroughly convinced me we use one ruckman and Casboult, same as those sides above. Thank you for confirming what I think.
2 rucks is ok if they are mobile and do alot around the ground, goddamn friggen useless if they do nothing as you're one man down the whole game. At Carlton, who in their right mind would play two rucks when you can pick another runner and increase your run around the ground. Anyone who knows anything at all about football Casboult can take up the slack as he has done before for a few years pretty well, and where he plays some of his best footy in that dual role. Happy to lose a few tapouts for better round the ground output. Many sides win the clearances against losing rucks.
What would you prefer, two lumbering useless ruckmen or one and an extra runner? By having one you'll increase both the output of Kreuzer, Casboult as well as giving us good run with the extra midfielder. What do you think? You couldn't possibly say two useless lumbering ruckman, if you do, well......
You keep pushing that Casboult bit in bold but it's bogus. It has delivered us massive disappointments time and time again, we rob our only useful contested mark inside F50 to have him ruck poorly around the ground. It's never worked ever because as a ruck Casboult has almost no idea other than jump and hit. He gets out-bodied by the small and medium sized players, and has zero second effort when the ball hits the ground.
All those others in bold are ruckmen turned forwards, and Tippett when in the team has played ruck all year not forward, and he does so in combination with Sinclair. Tippett hasn't played as a forward once this year, and never as a solo ruck! :o
In terms of the Dawks last year, McEvoy and Hale effectively divided ruck duties right down the middle. I agree they are dead lucky they had Hale, because without him they would have been cooked. But Hale was clearly the best ruck forward in the competition last season, better than Boyd, better than Patton, perhaps only Cameron is his equal, but rightly so GWS don't ruck Cameron anymore.
If you want to fix the forward line, find a better forward option. If you want to fix the midfield division fix the midfielders. Don't shoot yourself in the foot in the ruck hoping to cover for some other deficiency, it just doesn't work.
As for Casboult, what use is a 200cm x 100kg clunking target who can only deliver when he's played as the support act! We need a bloke who can take the top job, not play as the second banana! FFS, Liam Jones takes the heat off him and he performs, holy cow that is an indictment!
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Don't want to stop the argument, but you'll have to shout extra loud for me o Sunday: surgery on Friday and I won't be available. The stent has to stay in for a week to be effective, so that is it.
We are not on TV so I won't see anything of the game. That frustrates me, but hopefully we get a few more games on free to air next year. We will probably do something special for Walker and Jamison, as this is our last home game for the year.
I wonder if anyone else will decide to give it away? Simmo definitely isn't. 
I won't be voting again either, as I will have no idea what happens, even if we do surprise and win.
I mentioned this earlier, but I would rest beth Cripps and Weitering, as neither of them are going to get huge amounts out of playing injured, even though they both probably want to play.
I would also like to see some less conservative placings: I like being difficult for our opponents to predict. I really hate it when we are VERY predictable t the opposition, which we have been often this year.
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Why not have Krueze FF for the game and have Phillips No. 1 ruck and use the Bolt to pinch hit in the ruck?
Just saying....
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Because Kreuz forgets how to play footy when he gets forward of centre.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
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Kreuzer and Cripps are similar... super oversized mids that cant play forward
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The ruckman playing KP forward theory....the Brett Ratten era was full of it and it drove me insane......FF and CHF are specialist positions......end of story.
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(08-15-2016, 05:59 AM)LP link Wrote:You keep pushing that Casboult bit in bold but it's bogus. It has delivered us massive disappointments time and time again, we rob our only useful contested mark inside F50 to have him ruck poorly around the ground. It's never worked ever because as a ruck Casboult has almost no idea other than jump and hit. He gets out-bodied by the small and medium sized players, and has zero second effort when the ball hits the ground.
All those others in bold are ruckmen turned forwards, and Tippett when in the team has played ruck all year not forward, and he does so in combination with Sinclair. Tippett hasn't played as a forward once this year, and never as a solo ruck! :o
In terms of the Dawks last year, McEvoy and Hale effectively divided ruck duties right down the middle. I agree they are dead lucky they had Hale, because without him they would have been cooked. But Hale was clearly the best ruck forward in the competition last season, better than Boyd, better than Patton, perhaps only Cameron is his equal, but rightly so GWS don't ruck Cameron anymore.
If you want to fix the forward line, find a better forward option. If you want to fix the midfield division fix the midfielders. Don't shoot yourself in the foot in the ruck hoping to cover for some other deficiency, it just doesn't work.
As for Casboult, what use is a 200cm x 100kg clunking target who can only deliver when he's played as the support act! We need a bloke who can take the top job, not play as the second banana! FFS, Liam Jones takes the heat off him and he performs, holy cow that is an indictment!
^this 100%
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