Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane

[cookie2]

We need a specialist Full Forward who is a straight kick and leads for the ball....Casboult becomes the second option as does the long bomb to a pack and if the ball is bombed more than often it will be the Boult vs his man only rather than every defender hanging off him....the Boult would have enjoyed working with Fev at his peak.

Yep, Fev leading inside F50 and around the arc with Levi more playing further out or moving into space created by Fevs leads, giving a different option. All we need to do is find that good leading KPF!

[blue4life]

Such a conundrum when you see him kick and mark like yesterday. His best is very very good.

Let's not forget we were playing a team beaten by 140 points the week before with a percentage of 60 after 21 rounds.
Casboult is 26, has 70 games under his belt and averages under a goal and less than 10 possessions per game.
It would be different if he was a young kid on the way up but his numbers this season are near enough to or just under his career averages, what you see with Levi is what you get.

[Professer E]

Why haven't Jaksch or Foster been played as specialist FF playing from the square?  Foster kicked 50+ in his last U18 year playing as a lead up FF, he can certainly play the role.

[bratblue]

Uncanny how many times I go to say something on here only to find that Jim has beaten me to it.

[Peter Brady]

Let's not forget we were playing a team beaten by 140 points the week before with a percentage of 60 after 21 rounds.
Casboult is 26, has 70 games under his belt and averages under a goal and less than 10 possessions per game.
It would be different if he was a young kid on the way up but his numbers this season are near enough to or just under his career averages, what you see with Levi is what you get.

If that's the situation then the question becomes "is Casboult worth more to us as a part of our team, or is he worth more to us as a trade option. I see him as a player who actually has a bit of trade value, certainly more than many on the list who are sometimes suggested as good trade options.
To get something of value you have to give up something of value.When McKay, Curnow, Silvagni and maybe a player like young Ben Silvagni are our forward line will there be a place for a player who takes a good mark but is only a 50/50 proposition as a goalkicker?
A player like Casboult may have enough value for another team who are prepared to pay a good price. But we won't know that until negotiations start. If we get a good offer we should definitely consider it because we know what we've got with Casboult and there isn't much more to learn.

[LP]

To get something of value you have to give up something of value.

1. Don't agree with that at all, if a club sees a need for a Casboult type they'll pay and we won't have to give up squat! It's not a swap meet, I don't want us doing any more Hampson type deals. Sellers have control, not buyers.

When McKay, Curnow, Silvagni and maybe a player like young Ben Silvagni are our forward line will there be a place for a player who takes a good mark but is only a 50/50 proposition as a goalkicker?

2. It's a good point, but Casboult is here now and Ben Silvagni is a mirage on the horizon!

A player like Casboult may have enough value for another team who are prepared to pay a good price. But we won't know that until negotiations start. If we get a good offer we should definitely consider it because we know what we've got with Casboult and there isn't much more to learn.

3. See point 1, and I think Cloke coming on the market has significantly de-valued Casboult this trade period. Plus Cloke coming on the market has made it harder for Casboult to demand a high price. You would think a club "In the hunt at this moment" would opt for the 29 year old Cloke versus the 26 year old Casboult.

[laj]

Let's not forget we were playing a team beaten by 140 points the week before with a percentage of 60 after 21 rounds.
Casboult is 26, has 70 games under his belt and averages under a goal and less than 10 possessions per game.
It would be different if he was a young kid on the way up but his numbers this season are near enough to or just under his career averages, what you see with Levi is what you get.

We've never had key forwards with huge totals bar Fev and before that Sticks and Jezza. Never stopped them playing decent footy though. He's decent enough and we need him for a couple more years yet. We've lost all our other one's. Our coaching staff and importantly other clubs certainly rate him. His marking average is up there with most of the best. He was kicking goals yesterday when the rest of the side wasn't. Actually career averages exactly one goal a game. Given he's spent alot of his time here as our 2nd ruck that's acceptable. Averaged 1.5 last year. Wallsy and Maclure were guns and only 1.7 and 1.5.

[laj]

If that's the situation then the question becomes "is Casboult worth more to us as a part of our team, or is he worth more to us as a trade option. I see him as a player who actually has a bit of trade value, certainly more than many on the list who are sometimes suggested as good trade options.
To get something of value you have to give up something of value.When McKay, Curnow, Silvagni and maybe a player like young Ben Silvagni are our forward line will there be a place for a player who takes a good mark but is only a 50/50 proposition as a goalkicker?
A player like Casboult may have enough value for another team who are prepared to pay a good price. But we won't know that until negotiations start. If we get a good offer we should definitely consider it because we know what we've got with Casboult and there isn't much more to learn.

Worth more to us unless you want to see Harry McKay get smashed around as he tries to develop. Levi needs to be the one to take that heat in thee shorter term. Think that answer that question. Won't be traded unless he chooses to go.

[crashlander]

Early in the season we were getting a lot of value from our 2nd string players. Now they are really struggling.
Kerridge looks tired and isn't at his best. Nor has this tiredness helped his decision making.
Wright was good for a long time, but he has also run out of juice and no longer goes under the radar.
Sumner ran out of gas some weeks back and now has been dropped.
Lamb has been similar: he was producing 20 possessions a game around the time of the bye.
Armfield has gone off the boil, although a lot more recently. He was excellent a few weeks back.
These guys were the difference  between victory and defeat earlier in the year.

Casboult had a good one, but that hasn't happened much this year.
Liam Jones was OK, but not brilliant.
Silvagni has shown something, but hasn't really got heaps of the ball yet.
Some of their issues come from our appalling forward football. Kicking the ball long for pack marks that don't happen, or looking from crumbs which we don't get, appears a very poor way of getting the ball forward. Have our mids and defenders ever heard of lowering the eyes and looking for a leading forward?

[DJC]

If that's the situation then the question becomes "is Casboult worth more to us as a part of our team, or is he worth more to us as a trade option. I see him as a player who actually has a bit of trade value, certainly more than many on the list who are sometimes suggested as good trade options.
To get something of value you have to give up something of value.When McKay, Curnow, Silvagni and maybe a player like young Ben Silvagni are our forward line will there be a place for a player who takes a good mark but is only a 50/50 proposition as a goalkicker?
A player like Casboult may have enough value for another team who are prepared to pay a good price. But we won't know that until negotiations start. If we get a good offer we should definitely consider it because we know what we've got with Casboult and there isn't much more to learn.

I reckon Cripps has more chance of playing as a key forward than Charlie Curnow and Silvagni do.  The latter two should be important parts of our forward line but we still need at least two key forwards and a back up or two.

If Ben Silvagni continues to progress and is drafted in 2018, he may or may not make his debut in 2019.  Until then, we have McKay, with potential but doubts about his durability, and Jones, Foster and Jaksch not showing much at all.  Then we have Casboult averaging a goal a game, rated 6th in the competition for contested marks and with the size, attitude and actions to intimidate opponents.  We also know that there is limited key position talent in the coming draft.  Trading Casboult might get us another swag of GWS rejects or another midfielder from an early draft pick, but we're not going to get another key forward for Casboult.

I would be signing Casboult to a three year deal.