Rd 20: Pre Game Anticipation: Carlton vs St Kilda

[cookie2]

We definitely need to keep the ball in tight and not give away turnovers otherwise they will run us into the turf.

[blue4life]

Two forwards are always better than one for structural purposes no matter how good they are.

I know it's a hobby horse of yours Laj and I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

[Gointocarlton]

Two forwards are always better than one for structural purposes no matter how good they are. The worse they are the more you need (up to two). One is only ok if you have the likes of Fev, who could carry a defence on his own, even then two is way better. Like I said both take men. Don't respect Casboult and Jones and they'll still hurt you. If there's one the defence all go to him. With two they split them, allows Casboult gets up the ground where he can play, takes defenders with him, opens the 50 and we score. Everitt was able to kick plenty in that period for the same reason, space and the fact the two key forwards had taken the opposition defenders. He too has been no good since we went back to one key forward. While Casboult and Jones didn't kick many but allows many others too, including Everitt. Can't argue with the scoreboard.

We are undefeated with Jones and Casboult in the side and kicked much better scores. Casboult averaged 1.5 a game, and alot of marks, last year as either a permanent 2nd ruck or key forward/ruck, while we had a 2nd key forward, Henderson, who while playing poorly but certainly needed defenders. Any club would take that. Note that allowed Everitt to kick 31 goals. Casboult's game this year, forward backing Kreuzer, who was rucking alone, 11 marks, 7 contested, 3 goals. Good reason clubs were interested in him last year. Moral there is to player average players to their strengths or they struggle.

Against Geelong, Goringe, a forward/ruck more than the other way around, got 14 touches, 7 marks and 2 goals against Geelong. Same argument applies. He actually played on the wing in the VFL the other week.

There may be a few reasons the MC are not selecting the team as you have suggested Jim:
1. The ultimate game plan they are trying to implement, and lets face it we don't know the intricacies of it, doesn't suit that type of selection;
2. They are trying to implement a game plan structure which involves unpredictability in the fwd line;
3. They are selecting a side which is defensively minded (being the main focus in year 1), competitive (effort) but doesn't necessarily win too many games in year 1 (ie position ourselves for decent 1st round draft picks).
If you don't agree with 3, then its mainly 1 and 2.
They are my thoughts.

[laj]

There may be a few reasons the MC are not selecting the team as you have suggested Jim:
1. The ultimate game plan they are trying to implement, and lets face it we don't know the intricacies of it, doesn't suit that type of selection;
2. They are trying to implement a game plan structure which involves unpredictability in the fwd line;
3. They are selecting a side which is defensively minded (being the main focus in year 1), competitive (effort) but doesn't necessarily win too many games in year 1 (ie position ourselves for decent 1st round draft picks).
If you don't agree with 3, then its mainly 1 and 2.
They are my thoughts.

Maybe, interesting thoughts, but when we were winning mid-year we were great defensively and because there was space the transition was quick and allowed us to score through many different options. Against Port our defence was outstanding but we always looked like we were going to score even when 2-3 goals behind late, finishing with Kreuzer snagging the winner. All the defensive aspects were in place but we also moved the ball out of the defensive 50 quickly. Nothing teaches better than that. With one key forward we actually become predictable. Without the same space we move it slowly then eventually have to bomb it to Casboult. The poor bugger is covered by a number of defenders, who know exactly what is going to happen. Casboult done a good job in his time here but he's certainly not that good to counter that. He's the poor bugger that cops the flack.

That's the way I see it anyway.

[Gointocarlton]

Maybe, interesting thoughts, but when we were winning mid-year we were great defensively and because there was space the transition was quick and allowed us to score through many different options. Against Port our defence was outstanding but we always looked like we were going to score even when 2-3 goals behind late, finishing with Kreuzer snagging the winner. All the defensive aspects were in place but we also moved the ball out of the defensive 50 quickly. Nothing teaches better than that. With one key forward we actually become predictable. Without the same space we move it slowly then eventually have to bomb it to Casboult. The poor bugger is covered by a number of defenders, who know exactly what is going to happen. Casboult done a good job in his time here but he's certainly not that good to counter that. He's the poor bugger that cops the flack.

That's the way I see it anyway.

Firstly, unpredictability comes from multiple avenues to goal, not via one or two key forwards.
Secondly, when the Key Forward is being double and triple teamed, where the feck are the opponents (ie our blokes) of the ones doing the double a triple teaming ? Got to be smarter around the fwd line with the loose blokes picking up crumbs or getting into position to receive goal side. Watch the Hawthorn, Sydney and Geelong poachers do it.

[bratblue]

Firstly, unpredictability comes from multiple avenues to goal, not via one or two key forwards.
Secondly, when the Key Forward is being double and triple teamed, where the feck are the opponents (ie our blokes) of the ones doing the double a triple teaming ? Got to be smarter around the fwd line with the loose blokes picking up crumbs or getting into position to receive goal side. What the Hawthorn, Sydney and Geelong poachers do it.

I often wonder about that myself.

[LoveNavy]

Just read Blues haven't beaten Saints at the G since 1998, what the ......
I've tipped us to get the job done. Hopefully like Melbourne, we'll succeed against the odds.

Go Blues - Nail this one for your mate 1AW

[ElwoodBlues1]

Just read Blues haven't beaten Saints at the G since 1998, what the ......
I've tipped us to get the job done. Hopefully like Melbourne, we'll succeed against the odds.

Go Blues - Nail this one for your mate 1AW

x2..Good test for BB. was outcoached last time and this is a chance for him , Neil Craig, Barker etc to rejig how we play and set-up better than we did the first time we played the Saints...Philips should help against Hickey and we cant let Steven run onto the ball in open ground like we did last time...

Blues by 18 points.....1AW to kick 2-3 and go out a winner...

[crashlander]

Just read Blues haven't beaten Saints at the G since 1998, what the ......
I've tipped us to get the job done. Hopefully like Melbourne, we'll succeed against the odds.

Go Blues - Nail this one for your mate 1AW

We've barely played them at the MCG since 1998. Almost always at Etihad, and not many wins there either. It is about time we changed that piece of stupidity.

[Gointocarlton]

We've barely played them at the MCG since 1998. Almost always at Etihad, and not many wins there either. It is about time we changed that piece of stupidity.

I reckon we will be a different proposition for StK at the G. I'm confident.