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(07-15-2016, 10:40 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Mate I dont quite get your theory. There has been games with 2 rucks that we have won and lost so I am not sure there is a pattern. We have also lost with one ruckman (eg NM). See below:
Rnd 5 Freo Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 6 Ess Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 7 Coll Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 8 PA Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 9 NM Loss Gorringe (1 Rucks Played)
Rnd 10 Geel Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 11 Bris Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
The Rnd 12, 14, 15, 16 we have lost every game with 2 rucks playing
Wouldnt get carried away with Kruezer vs Port......Trengove isnt exactly top shelf ruck quality and we got lucky Lobbe and Ryder were out....
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(07-15-2016, 10:40 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Mate I dont quite get your theory. There has been games with 2 rucks that we have won and lost so I am not sure there is a pattern. We have also lost with one ruckman (eg NM). See below:
Rnd 5 Freo Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 6 Ess Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 7 Coll Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 8 PA Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 9 NM Loss Gorringe (1 Rucks Played)
Rnd 10 Geel Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 11 Bris Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
The Rnd 12, 14, 15, 16 we have lost every game with 2 rucks playing
Two rucks/one key forward. You haven't seen the pattern yet? When did we start winning, when we picked the 2nd key forward, when did we play even better, when we played one ruck. It's one of the few things that went ok last year too. When did we go back to struggling to kick a score again, when we went back to two rucks and one key forward. Any part of that you've missed? Gorringe, while not that good, is as much a forward as a ruck. He actually took marks and kicked a couple of goals. As a ruck he wasn't very good.
The two rucks together have generally played terrible. There's no argument there. For years Kreuzer has been at his best when he has been on his own. I just don't know what part of that people miss. People watch footy week in/week out and miss the obvious.
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Perhaps its not the fact we are playing 2 rucks that is the problem. Perhaps it is the blokes playing as ruckman that are the problem.
Same problem we have with our key forwards, that is, they are just not very good at it!
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Nic Nat and Cox both got AA status playing in the same team. It can work if you have the right people for it to work.
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(07-15-2016, 12:01 PM)laj link Wrote:Two rucks/one key forward. You haven't seen the pattern yet? When did we start winning, when we picked the 2nd key forward, when did we play even better, when we played one ruck. It's one of the few things that went ok last year too. When did we go back to struggling to kick a score again, when we went back to two rucks and one key forward. Any part of that you've missed? Gorringe, while not that good, is as much a forward as a ruck. He actually took marks and kicked a couple of goals. As a ruck he wasn't very good.
The two rucks together have generally played terrible. There's no argument there. For years Kreuzer has been at his best when he has been on his own. I just don't know what part of that people miss. People watch footy week in/week out and miss the obvious.
That's not really true. Back when we were winning, we were 6th in hitouts. We've dropped to 12th now.
The two ruckmen combination isn't working as well now as it did earlier in the season. The main difference I can see is that, while Phillips spent a lot of time on the bench, Kreuzer stayed on the ground. Now both of our rucks are each spending a third of the game on the bench. Of course, our better ruck performance when we were winning could be down to the fact that we played two key forwards for many of those games 
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Hasn't Phillips been injured for a number of weeks since our winning streak???
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(07-15-2016, 12:06 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Perhaps its not the fact we are playing 2 rucks that is the problem. Perhaps it is the blokes playing as ruckman that are the problem.
Same problem we have with our key forwards, that is, they are just not very good at it!
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Nic Nat and Cox both got AA status playing in the same team. It can work if you have the right people for it to work. Finally! Our rucks and forwards just aren't much chop and our Mids are shallow at best. Played out of our skins V Geelong and Port.
I love Kreuze but he is over valued imo, isnt doing what he used to do which was be that Mumford type extra mid that would bullock through the stoppages.
The let go of Jacobs and Betts are quite possibly a couple of the dumbest things the club has done in recent times along with the recruitment of big-money Daisy.
It will take time to repair the damage but we are on the right track. Our back half is top-shelf imo.
Hope KJ shows a little as i believe he is worth retaining, hes 21 ffs
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I like this team - I like it alot I believe they will give more than Daisy, Walker, Everitt and Casboult.
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(07-16-2016, 01:15 AM)pinot link Wrote:I like this team - I like it alot I believe they will give more than Daisy, Walker, Everitt and Casboult. We can hope so. 3 out of the 4 of those are definitely more of the past than of the future. Maybe even Casboult will be obsolete when guys like McKay and Charlie Curnow start being reliable senior players.
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The eagles run very hard and set up well defensively but I don't think our kids have much to worry aboutphysically. Good game to play kids in I reckon
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(07-16-2016, 01:48 AM)Professer E link Wrote:The eagles run very hard and set up well defensively but I don't think our kids have much to worry aboutphysically. Good game to play kids in I reckon
They won't know how to set up for our forwardline this week....because we don't even know how we are going to setup! Could very well work in our favour.
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