Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

[PaulP]

Strangely enough Hawthorn seem to manage with only one, and calling Gunston a key forward at 193cm and 85kg is a bit of a stretch.
That said, I'd have Gunston on his own ahead of Casboult and Jones as a pair all day every day.

Probably not worth much, but this is Hawthorn's officially listed forward line for this round :


HF
Luke Breust, Kaiden Brand, Jack Gunston

F
James Sicily, Ben McEvoy, Paul Puopolo

[Brettie]

Walker is gone.  Skills, workrate, game awareness - all gone.  Deserves his 200 but the pin needs to be pulled.

^^^ This.....

....hopefully soon as Curnow/McKay are ready, I'd expect Walker to get the 'tap on the shoulder' & that'd be it for him. Period.

[madbluboy]

Strangely enough Hawthorn seem to manage with only one, and calling Gunston a key forward at 193cm and 85kg is a bit of a stretch.
That said, I'd have Gunston on his own ahead of Casboult and Jones as a pair all day every day.

Gunston, O'Brian, Sicily + 2 ruckmen

[laj]

Strangely enough Hawthorn seem to manage with only one, and calling Gunston a key forward at 193cm and 85kg is a bit of a stretch.
That said, I'd have Gunston on his own ahead of Casboult and Jones as a pair all day every day.

Not all sides are as brilliant as Hawthorn and we don't know how much it will cost them in September with Roughhead, although Sicily and O'Brien have stood up pretty well. In their premiership years that had Buddy and Roughy, Roughy and Hale, who did play the dual roles well, and last year, Roughy and Shoenmakers, who had a great year, with help from Hale. The Bulldogs a few years ago used to manage on none but were found out in the bigger finals.

When you're not Hawthorn then one isn't enough, unless you wish to compare us to Hawthorn....lol.

[Brettie]

We've kicked a grand tally of 7 goals total in a past 3 second halves combined.....awesome.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Yes, Jaksch in, Phillips out. Drop Everitt and Walker and bring in a couple of runners.

I'd have Jaksch and Jones both in along with Gowers and one of Buckley or Boekhorst...

[laj]

I'd have Jaksch and Jones both in along with Gowers and one of Buckley or Boekhorst...

Might have to. Levi might get a holiday as I think he has been fined twice already.

[DJC]

DJC, being at the ground could you determine what role Everitt and Walker played today (I don't count SOJ in this)... what role are they playing in the forward set up? Why were they constantly out of position when the ball was worked forward?  Where was Lamb in the set up, isn't he supposed to be the specialist deck level option?

IMO opinion I'd play a larger marking tall (Jaksch or Jones) to provide a focal point because neither of the above are supplying a consistent marking target, deck level ball winning ability or pressure on the ball carrier exiting defence.  Personally I'd play Jaksch because he runs at the ball carrier.

I realise he hasn't been setting the world on fire but Boekhorst might give us a point of difference as well in the forward half.

Everitt played on the wing for most of the game.  He ran with MacKay for quite a bit and had a few stints in forward line.  All of his possessions were collected between back pocket and just outside the forward 50.

Walker spent a bit of time on the wing too but played mainly as a forward.  At times he was playing as the second key forward but mainly as the third tall.  He made good position a couple of times but was generally swamped by defenders.

Lamb was around and about but doesn't seem to be able to hit the contest as the ball comes to ground.  He seems to get into space occasionally but doesn't do a lot.

I'd bring in Jones and Jaksch with the latter as a swingman.  Gowers would be at halfback and Boekhorst would be wing/half forward. Out would go Lamb, Sumner, Everitt and Thomas.  Weitering might be better for a spell too.

[Baggers]

As mentioned on the radio call, we started each qtr in fine style then faded away. You'd have to think that when others work so hard to get it forward and it comes back with interest that effort will wane (sometimes that is due to poor disposal and sometimes because we just aint got the cattle).

And here's the dilemma, focus on the future or winning as they do appear to be two different directions in some regards? Clearly we do better with two tall forwards as evidenced when Jones was running around with Levi... it took some pressure off Levi and gave the defence something else to think about, and Jones did hit the scoreboard. BUT, perhaps the club has decided that Jones and Jaksch won't be at PP next year so why invest game time into them... preferable to get time into Charlie and Harry when ready. Kreuzer and Phillips don't do very much when resting forward. Who knows what the MCs reason is for not giving either Jones or Jaksch a call up. Like the seniors those two also have to contend with pretty ordinary disposal from up field.

And what about Thomas, Walker and Everitt? For different reasons each was a liability today. Who replaces those three?

Lamb and Sumner were patchy today (though both do look like being very good for our future) with the lack of a pre season taking its toll.

And Kerridge needs loads of work on his disposal... it has become just about normal place now that when he's involved in the play we expect fumbles and below parr disposal skills to be displayed.

Fortunately most supporters can see the vast improvement in endeavour and that there really does seem to be a game plan/strategy in place, it's just that our 'bottom 6' in any given game are just so off the pace and dragging others down with them.

Yep, early days in the rebuild and another big culling has to take place at season's end.

[pinot]

Sumner is not good enough and will take Tutts place as a back up player in 2017.

I don't mind Lamb but dont see him as that potent small forward but goes ok.

Thomas and Walker look like they're on their last legs...

Everitt is a decent footsoldier but is horrible when not in form

We all love the Cas but like Everitt just woeful when out of form.

Kerridge is hard at it and I admire his style of play but ball handling and skills not at AFL standard.

Big Sauce took Kreuzer to the cleaners.. Kreuzer really should have won that battle but got out rucked and goals kicked on him.. just not good enough.