Rd 11: Pre Game Patter: Carlton vs Brisbane

[madbluboy]

It's too risky though if Kreuzer gets injured which happens a lot. When he went of injured against Port we got smashed. When he missed the following week we were smashed.

We have to play two ruckmen, Kreuzer is the one that has to learn how to share. ;D

[flyboy77]

I can't see Levi playing in the ruck unless we're forced to play him there because of injuries.  He does his best work monstering defenders as well as providing a marking target up the ground.  Even when he doesn't take the grab, the opposition rarely get possession and that's really all you want from a key forward - apart from a couple of goals.

Gorringe seems to be an in between size, not really big or strong enough to to be a genuine ruckman or key forward.  He moves well and his goal from the square was the result of hard running and reading the play well.  I'm not sure where he should play.  Perhaps he could be something of a Blicavs type with too much height for blokes able to match his mobility.

200cm, 100kg - he's hardly an in between size! With respect.

[enz]

I would play Gorringe off the wing pushing fwd & giving the ruck a breather.

[DJC]

200cm, 100kg - he's hardly an in between size! With respect.

Gorringe can't hold position against opposition ruckmen and is too easily brushed aside in contests.  If he is going to play mainly as a ruckman, he has to be bigger and stronger.  He is most suited to playing as a tall half forward, as was his stated position in the pre-season.

[malo]

Casboult has only played one game as a ruckman this year but when he played as a full time second ruck last year he often got taps in double figures until he went back forward. Don't think you have any sample size for stat comparison. They don't compare as footballers either.  Essentially many are having a wank over one game with looking back further. Didn't watch the Collingwood game 3 weeks ago? Casboult was a wrecking ball all over the ground, took 11 marks, 7 contested, smashed bodies and kicked 3 goals from 5 shots. Kreuzer went right up a notch too once Phillips got injured. Both we suddenly alot better. I've said it for years and again got proven right that game. If people haven't seen that over the years then they simply haven't watched football, or struggle to think back beyond one game.

We are not a better balanced side with Gorringe. Much better with a genuine forward there, for me Jaksch, with Kreuzer rucking and Casboult key forward and rucking. Let's not pretend otherwise based on one game. Gorringe went ok on the weekend but isn't that good. We've seen that. Let's not get blinded by one game. He's been damn ordinary for the NB's and was ordinary against North. Casboult would simply add more in the ruck by what he does around the ground, way more important to me. Not interested in a few extra taps here and there if they actually were to occur.

We have seen for a number of years that our best rucking combination is Kreuzer rucking most of the day with help from Casboult. Kreuzer plays way better when he has the ruck to himself, doesn't go anywhere near as well when he has to share it. Casboult performs alot better when he's both our forward and has a run in the ruck. He gets a run around the ground, gets his hands on the ball that that seems to help his confidence alot when he goes forward. He does much better in that role than when purely a forward. Like I said we saw this only only talking about this 3 weeks ago after the Collingwood game and most conceded that was the case. One game won't change that. We are a much better balanced side with Krezuer rucking  with help from Casboult. We can pick a genuine key forward as well as one smaller/medium type to start with giving us more run and mobility. Much better balance. Other wise we have a ruckman resting forward taking up a key position if Casboult is the only other forward, not so good, or two ruck and two key forward, which can hamper our mobility.

The only way I keep Gorringe in this week if Casboult's leg isn't ready to ruck.

Where does that leave Phillips ?  I thought he absolutely showed enough to warrant his place before injury, his kicking for goal & strong forward marking was a notch above Kroozes, and his tap ruck work was certainly competative.  But as you say, Krooze works into the game better if he's the main man.......interesting dilemma.

[flyboy77]

Gorringe can't hold position against opposition ruckmen and is too easily brushed aside in contests.  If he is going to play mainly as a ruckman, he has to be bigger and stronger.  He is most suited to playing as a tall half forward, as was his stated position in the pre-season.

Like many around him, the bloke needs time to gain confidence and learn the speed of the game at senior level.....the guy's played 24 senior games Clearly lost his way at GC, maybe injury, loss of confidence.....

From all reports, an elite runner and a hard match up aerobically given his stature.....

From the GC web site:

Stuck behind Tom Nicholls and Zac Smith in the ruck queue, Gorringe was again hampered by injury in 2014.

An Achilles problem cost the South Australian 12 weeks on the sidelines,
 but he got three senior games late in the season to push his case before a knee injury finished his year early.

Gorringe is athletic, has a great leap and moves around the ground well, but is down the pecking order and will need to work hard to command a regular spot.

He emerged as one of the strongest runners at the club during the summer and has put his hand up for a role in the midfield during the year.

A WIP?

[cookie2]

As someone has previously suggested, maybe Gorringe is a potential Blicavs type player? Seems to have the physical attributes.

[DJC]

Like many around him, the bloke needs time to gain confidence and learn the speed of the game at senior level.....the guy's played 24 senior games Clearly lost his way at GC, maybe injury, loss of confidence.....

From all reports, an elite runner and a hard match up aerobically given his stature.....

From the GC web site:

A WIP?

I think so FB.  I'd like to see him develop as a tall utility with the ability to stretch opponents both aerobically and in the air.

[flyboy77]

http://video.news.com.au/v/1906/Draft-Dr...n-Gorringe

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-01-21/su...ve-himself

GOLD Coast tall Daniel Gorringe has a simple goal this year, but believes he might need to reinvent himself to achieve it.

Gorringe was widely regarded as the best junior ruckman in 2010 and the Suns gladly took him at pick No.10 in their inaugural draft that year.

However, the South Australian has struggled to make the transition from junior football to the AFL, and has played just 20 senior games in his four years on the Gold Coast.

After a failed attempt to return home to Adelaide at the end of last season, the 22-year-old has made a strong start to the 2015 pre-season and is determined to prove that the Suns picked wisely back in 2010.

"My main aim now is to prove to the Suns that I can play — and I want to play," Gorringe told the Gold Coast Bulletin.

"I love it here, we have a new coach with ‘Rocket’ (Rodney Eade) and I've enjoyed working with him."

However, with the Suns' ruck division already boasting Zac Smith, Tom Nicholls and pinch-hitting forward Charlie Dixon, Gorringe, 199cm, is eyeing a possible switch to the midfield in 2015.

"I think my best position is probably somewhere in the midfield where I can run and open up and take the game on," Gorringe said.

"I'm not too tall for the middle and I'm pretty mobile, as mobile as the other mids.

"Everyone has this perception that if you're tall you can't run around, but I reckon I'm right to be in there and do what they're doing."

Gorringe is coming off a horror 2014 season. Sidelined for three months early in the year with an Achilles tendon injury, he broke into the Suns' team in round 19 and played three straight games before a knee injury ended his season.

Last October, Gorringe sought a trade home, with Port Adelaide emerging as the keenest suitor.

But the Power's main focus was brokering a deal for Essendon ruckman Patrick Ryder, and when those negotiations dragged into the final day of the trade period, Gorringe's hopes of a move were dashed.

However, since returning to Metricon Stadium for pre-season training in November, Gorringe has totally committed to preparing himself for a 2015 season that he acknowledges could be career-defining.

"I've laid some good foundations through the pre-season, so it's going to be a big year for my future, which is exciting and a bit nerve-racking at the same time," he said.

"But I’m always up for a challenge."

[enz]

The way Gorringe moves reminds me of Lawrence Angwin hopefully not his nocturnal ways  ;D