Rd 9: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. North Melbourne

[shadesy]

Winning should be the aim in any sporting contest, if Wood isn't to be available to play then he shouldn't be at the club.

Very simplistic view.

If you were serious you would trade all your draft picks every year for ready made players.

[laj]

It was indeed an initiation by fire for Gorringe who spent much of the first half wondering which planet he had landed on. However, IMO he did seem to get a bit better as the game went on and I think we need to give him a bit of time  before we replace him with Wood who again is not the future.

We don't have Casboult to relieve in the ruck, or anyone that can do his job, so you'd play both Wood and Gorringe.

Phillips is going to be the future more so than Gorringe. Not sure the latter will be at Carlton that long. He's not that good. So a choice right now, it I had to choose, would be to play Wood. Need the strong bloke in that position. To me right now, play them both.

[PaulP]

Agree with both Jim and shades.

[IvanAwfulbigone]

If we are serious about winning and playing finals, then you play Cameron Wood

If you are in a learning environment, and watching which players are good or can compete, listen and stick to what you are tying to implement, then you play Gorringe.

Frustrating yes, losing sucks, but the end game. When Waite, Petrie, Thomas and Boomer are long retired, Plow, Weiters, Byrne and Doc will be dominating opposition forward lines.

Gorringe got a huge learning wake up call yesterday. This is the standard against the every best. Cripps, learnt that you won't always win the taps and you have to fight for every clearance.

We learnt more last night than the other 4 wins IMO and I reckon Bolton enjoyed the wake up call as such. No media this week for the blues, back to business.

Spot on. Last night was a wobble. For the most part we stuck at it - persevering with 'the system' which can be counter-intuitive when the scoreboard is screaming "fail".

I was still wrapt with our younger, newer players. Have enjoyed a little bit of luck in the last few weeks but North got a wake-up call last week and the Cats got one yesterday.

[Dominator_7]

Could tell in the first 5 minutes that we weren't on.
Not disappointed as if you logically look at it, this loss was inevitable.
We were ripe for the picking.
- 6 day break after very physical encounter last Sunday
- Against top of the ladder, undefeated opponent stung last week after embarrassing 2nd half.
- If this was last year, we'd have lost by 100.
- Waite is a flog who has shat on us either through comments in interviews, or actions on the field against us since leaving. Judd was right about him when he said Waite will be a football gypsy. Won't have a club to belong to when he retires. Hated by his former club. Won't be remembered by current Club as will only play 2-3 years there. He can EAD!!

[laj]

Very simplistic view.

If you were serious you would trade all your draft picks every year for ready made players.

It's not all one way or all the other. You balance looking to win with the development of youth then place the weighting on each. Right now for us it's more development but you still have to have one eye on winning. Youth badly need strength and experience around them to take the physical heat and that definitely includes a physically strong, decent ruckman. Not a position for lightweights to get smashed all over the place. That develops nothing. I'm sure you know that. .

Gorringe isn't exactly a draft pick, he's a delisted free agent who wasn't very good and lazy. In the side because we're desperate. If we're talking Phillips then we're talking a completely different matter. He is the future, strong enough to complete and would play ahead of Wood in regard to the future. Gorringe, don't think so. He's not going to be the future. Soon as Phillips is fit Gorringe will get the arse inside 5 minutes.

Having said that I don't generally disagree, and mostly agree, with what you're trying to say. We are both right mostly.

[PaulP]

I actually thought Shadesy's comments were directed at b4l. I think he agrees with you Jim.

[PaulP]

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- Waite is a flog who has shat on us either through comments in interviews, or actions on the field against us since leaving. Judd was right about him when he said Waite will be a football gypsy. Won't have a club to belong to when he retires. Hated by his former club. Won't be remembered by current Club as will only play 2-3 years there. He can EAD!!

I don't share this view.

[laj]

Could tell in the first 5 minutes that we weren't on.
Not disappointed as if you logically look at it, this loss was inevitable.
We were ripe for the picking.
- 6 day break after very physical encounter last Sunday
- Against top of the ladder, undefeated opponent stung last week after embarrassing 2nd half.
- If this was last year, we'd have lost by 100.
- Waite is a flog who has shat on us either through comments in interviews, or actions on the field against us since leaving. Judd was right about him when he said Waite will be a football gypsy. Won't have a club to belong to when he retires. Hated by his former club. Won't be remembered by current Club as will only play 2-3 years there. He can EAD!!

Think we'll be more switched on next week. A young side sometime doesn't come switched on, especially after the effort last week. Still lose by 5-6 goals but be more competitive. Draw is favourable enough to win 8-10 games though, due to finishing last last season, although rounds 16-19 are rotten.

[laj]

I actually thought Shadesy's comments were directed at b4l. I think he agrees with you Jim.

I think, when we cut through it, we agree. I generally agreed with what he said, just the odd difference on a point, which different opinions produce.