Rd 1 Carlton vs Richmond Post Game Prognostications

[DJC]

and Nicholls

B4L did say the last 30 years Lods 

Not that I think great players can't go on to be great coaches at the same club.  We'll never know how successful Ratten could have been with us but, despite the bleating from the Malthouse apologists, he dragged us from the bottom into the finals.

I think that one of the key factors is ensuring that the coach, whether he is a club great or not, has done an apprenticeship, preferably with a successful team, and has coached in his/her own right.  I reckon Ratten would be a much better coach now than when he got the job with us.

The 'can't be a coach at your old club' mantra is a little like the 'can't be an AFL coach if you haven't played at AFL level' furphy. 

It was interesting listening to the ABC today.  Of course a lot of the talk was about Fremantle, the Bulldogs, the Swans and Collingwood but one of the commentators kept referring back to our game.  He was making the point that, if a couple of relatively easy goals had been scored, the conversation would have been all about the wooden spooners defeating a top four contender.  Yes, our 22 was strengthened by a couple of new blokes and the return of Gibbs, but the turnaround is really down to Bolton.  How good is it to have a coach who actually knows what he is doing?

[Lods]

B4L did say the last 30 years Lods 

Well that excludes Jezza too and Walls only just scrapes in.

B4L's point has a certain validity too it.
It is a difficult task to sack a club legend (like shooting Bambi).
...and club legends don't necessarily make great coaches.

[Thryleon]

B4L did say the last 30 years Lods 

Not that I think great players can't go on to be great coaches at the same club.  We'll never know how successful Ratten could have been with us but, despite the bleating from the Malthouse apologists, he dragged us from the bottom into the finals.

I think that one of the key factors is ensuring that the coach, whether he is a club great or not, has done an apprenticeship, preferably with a successful team, and has coached in his/her own right.  I reckon Ratten would be a much better coach now than when he got the job with us.

The 'can't be a coach at your old club' mantra is a little like the 'can't be an AFL coach if you haven't played at AFL level' furphy. 

It was interesting listening to the ABC today.  Of course a lot of the talk was about Fremantle, the Bulldogs, the Swans and Collingwood but one of the commentators kept referring back to our game.  He was making the point that, if a couple of relatively easy goals had been scored, the conversation would have been all about the wooden spooners defeating a top four contender.  Yes, our 22 was strengthened by a couple of new blokes and the return of Gibbs, but the turnaround is really down to Bolton.  How good is it to have a coach who actually knows what he is doing?

I think you might be over looking something.

It's great to have a club that seems to finally all be moving in the same direction together.

We have arrived where we are as a product of what has occurred since 2004.  the draft penalties effect is still there. 

Even now Wells and Goddard are playing good footy, and their clubs have reaped the rewards of compensation picks we missed out on. 

Pagan has had his involvement.
Ratten has had his involvement.
Malthouse has had his involvement.
All the assistant coaches have done their bit.
We have learned lessons and we will be a better club for it.

Yes Bolton deserves credit,  but we can't know the effect the others have had.  Some will despite the best grumblings of the Malthouse opposers have learned stuff from him.  Even if that was what not to do. 

We are all shaped by things that have occurred.  Even the whole way it ended for Malthouse could be something that resulted in us being left with only people that really want to be at our footy club. 

[madbluboy]

Yes, our 22 was strengthened by a couple of new blokes and the return of Gibbs, but the turnaround is really down to Bolton.  How good is it to have a coach who actually knows what he is doing?

What turnaround? I'm a Bolton fan but he has achieved nothing yet.

[flyboy77]

What turnaround? I'm a Bolton fan but he has achieved nothing yet.

x2.

If we start winning and win 8+ games for the year, yep a step forward, win 3 -6 odd and meh, any mug could achieve that. Not that winning games are the only measure of improvement granted.....

End of the day, our list is far from as bad as most say, even most on this forum.

Just a bunch of serial under performers (relative to potential) eg Gibbs, Murphy (overall) or perennially injury eg Kreuzer, Thomas, Jamo, 1AW - combined a bunch of guys who lack or lost the ability to win.

[PassIt2Carrots]

What turnaround? I'm a Bolton fan but he has achieved nothing yet.

Turnaround ie we no longer have a prehistoric gameplan and are pleasant to watch. The players seem to have the right attitude. That is a huge achievement so far considering the mess malthouse left us in.

[blue4life]

Yes, he sure got that one wrong...lol.

At no stage did I pump up for Malthouse's appointment as senior coach, but I disagreed with Ratten's appointment from day one and was happy to see him gone.
Wanting Ratten gone and being a Malthouse fanboi are not one and the same thing, in fact I've never been particularly taken with Malthouse.
The club butchered both appointments, just as they butchered the two senior coaching appointments prior to them, and just as they butchered the national draft for well over a decade.
It should come as no surprise to any Carlton supporters that we find ourselves on the bottom again and starting from ground zero, inept management of the magnitude that we've practiced since the 1990's comes at a heavy cost.

[LP]

At no stage did I pump up for Malthouse's appointment as senior coach, but I disagreed with Ratten's appointment from day one and was happy to see him gone.

Even before he took us to the finals, and still afterwards! :o

[townsendcalling]

Coaches votes

Carlton v Richmond
10 Kane Lambert (Rich)
6 Marc Murphy (Carl)
6 Alex Rance (Rich)
4 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
3 Sam Docherty (Carl)
1 Patrick Cripps (Carl)

[PassIt2Carrots]

Wow so Lambert gets the coach's votes, well done to the kid. Really surprised Cripps only got 1. Shows how much I know.