Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

[DJC]

Does anyone really think that adding Daisy to our list, paying him around $700,000 per season and giving him a four year contract with an option for a fifth year was a good decision?

Spin it any way you like but it really was one of the two most inexplicable decisions our club has made in the last decade.

I was hoping to see a rejuvenated Daisy this season - and I don't doubt his efforts - but I'm afraid his body just isn't capable of performing at AFL level.

[LP]

Does anyone really think that adding Daisy to our list, paying him around $700,000 per season and giving him a four year contract with an option for a fifth year was a good decision?

Spin it any way you like but it really was one of the two most inexplicable decisions our club has made in the last decade.

I was hoping to see a rejuvenated Daisy this season - and I don't doubt his efforts - but I'm afraid his body just isn't capable of performing at AFL level.

Your taken the media bait again DJC, who with any authority said he gets $700K, where was that amount first reported?

When he first signed it was touted as a contract worth "up to $2.5M", I am assuming the "up to" part includes the option year.

At the time that was said to have put Daisy's wage in-line with Murphy's who was reported as being on about $550K when he re-signed.

Now with every toe stubbing kick the media keep pumping up Daisy's value, in what appears to be either a case of severe one-upmanship or out of desperation to pull a headline. If he fluffs a handball he could be the newest AFL millionaire before seasons end!   Just a week ago Malph Ralph reported he was on at least $3.5M for the same deal, and "as much as $750K" was reported. So according to the media we have to accept that he is paid 50% more than our captain, or twice what Kreuzer is paid and double what we allegedly refused to pay Betts. It's bogus reporting! :o

It's designed to tug at your Carlton heart strings and collect ratings and web hits, and you've bitten!

[PassIt2Carrots]

Does anyone really think that adding Daisy to our list, paying him around $700,000 per season and giving him a four year contract with an option for a fifth year was a good decision?

I repeat this question.

[LP]

I repeat this question.

Does anyone think letting Betts go for $300k was a good idea? That question is just as relevant, just as accurate, because it is the inaccuracy of the dollar figure and the reference to an alleged deliberate action that frames the argument!

In the Yarran 7kg Overweight thread you made this comment, highlighting the importance of context at the time Yarran was dropped.

You talk like that was a huge moment......Yarran was yet to be a regular so it was no surprise he was dropped.

You have to be consistent, you have to judge the Daisy decision in context and with relevant figures or you relegate your argument to emotional irrelevance.

[DJC]

Your taken the media bait again DJC, who with any authority said he gets $700K, where was that amount first reported?

When he first signed it was touted as a contract worth "up to $2.5M", I am assuming the "up to" part includes the option year.

At the time that was said to have put Daisy's wage in-line with Murphy's who was reported as being on about $550K when he re-signed.

Now with every toe stubbing kick the media keep pumping up Daisy's value, in what appears to be either a case of severe one-upmanship or out of desperation to pull a headline. If he fluffs a handball he could be the newest AFL millionaire before seasons end!   Just a week ago Malph Ralph reported he was on at least $3.5M for the same deal, and "as much as $750K" was reported. So according to the media we have to accept that he is paid 50% more than our captain, or twice what Kreuzer is paid and double what we allegedly refused to pay Betts. It's bogus reporting! :o

It's designed to tug at your Carlton heart strings and collect ratings and web hits, and you've bitten!

I reckon Robert Walls has a pretty good handle on how much Thomas is being paid and I accept his assertion that Thomas is our highest paid player on at least $700K.

Even if he was on $450K for four years with an option for a fifth year, it would still rate as on of our worst list management decisions.

[LP]

I reckon Robert Walls has a pretty good handle on how much Thomas is being paid and I accept his assertion that Thomas is our highest paid player on at least $700K.

Even if he was on $450K for four years with an option for a fifth year, it would still rate as on of our worst list management decisions.

I agree about the decision making in hindsight, but we have to put the cost in relative perspective of how, when and why we recruited a Daisy type player.

At the time one of the biggest gripes people had about our list was on field leadership and introverted personalities. We had way to many introverts which allowed our team to be bullied on field. Communication was seen as another weakness, I think it was either Jonathon Brown or Cameron Ling who commented that playing against Carlton was like playing against Church mice, they made no sounds out there on the ground.

Daisy was certainly an extrovert, and a very loud on field communicator, which stood out immediately on his arrival. In that respect if we look at a realistic wage figure for him it seems not such a bad gamble at the time, especially given alleged reports coming from medical staff back then were that he should be able to make a full recovery.

[PassIt2Carrots]

I agree about the decision making in hindsight, but we have to put the cost in relative perspective of how, when and why we recruited a Daisy type player.

At the time one of the biggest gripes people had about our list was on field leadership and introverted personalities. We had way to many introverts which allowed our team to be bullied on field. Communication was seen as another weakness, I think it was either Jonathon Brown or Cameron Ling who commented that playing against Carlton was like laying against Church mice, they made no sounds out there on the ground.

Daisy was certainly an extrovert, and a very loud on field communicator, which stood out immediately on his arrival. In that respect if we look at a realistic wage figure for him it seems not such a bad gamble at the time, especially given alleged reports coming from medical staff back then were that he should be able to make a full recovery.

Ignoring the alleged reports that he wouldn't make a full recovery?

[Thryleon]

I reckon Robert Walls has a pretty good handle on how much Thomas is being paid and I accept his assertion that Thomas is our highest paid player on at least $700K.

Even if he was on $450K for four years with an option for a fifth year, it would still rate as on of our worst list management decisions.

Is that with or without excess loading on a contract?

Hypothetically speaking its possible that he was right in that particular 12 month period, but if rumours are to be believed, the captain is actually the highest paid player at the club, and not Daisy.  That might not have been true of 2015, but it would have been true of their total contractual amount.

Which means we have been front loading Daisy's contract, which might explain why he is on 700k per year.  We might have given him an entire year of his contract in the last 2.  Given where our list is at, I would expect this to be the case because we dont have that many high earners at the club and the ones we do, would also be on front loaded contracts.

This means that Walls can be right, and LP's point might also be accurate.

I suspect that the dollar values of contract don't necessary coincide with what we pay in wages per season, and we must be due to have a fair chunk of salary cap space available for use in a year or two to put towards a Treloar type player.

[LP]

This means that Walls can be right, and LP's point might also be accurate.

I suspect that the dollar values of contract don't necessary coincide with what we pay in wages per season, and we must be due to have a fair chunk of salary cap space available for use in a year or two to put towards a Treloar type player.

The reporting of stuff like this is only going to get worse in coming years, especially with the new TPP Banking system. Journos will be able to exaggerate wages in a moment of time and claim some accuracy in the moment!

Ignoring the alleged reports that he wouldn't make a full recovery?

Alleged being the operative word.

[PassIt2Carrots]

The reporting of stuff like this is only going to get worse in coming years, especially with the new TPP Banking system. Journos will be able to exaggerate wages in a moment of time and claim some accuracy in the moment!

Alleged being the operative word.

Also the same word you used. You missed my pun!