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[cookie2]

Quite simply it is better to under-hype and over-deliver than to do the opposite, which we have done all too often in past years.

[flyboy77]

For me the real problem is our attack.
We had few, if any functioning forwards for much of the year.

Over the last three years the number of goals kicked has been...

2013-304
2014-276
2015-219

Down nearly 100 goals in 3 seasons!
(We all know where they've gone)...but an attack that scores only 219 goals :

That's our worst ever under the 22 game a year system (since 1967).
Fix that one area alone with a few contributors and you're well on the way to solving a big part of our problems.

Hard to kick goals when the delivery inside F50 is lethargic, slow and poor. Fix that and you'll fix the forward line....look at the guys who kicked goals for the Dogs.....

[flyboy77]

I repeat, i don't see this list as any better than ours.....and they were missing Liba too. Put Walker up forward - show some ticker and intensity - the results will follow.

Run through the names...

1 Luke Dahlhaus 276 12 314 13.7 590 25.7 77 3.3 0 0 90 3.9 120 5.2 85 3.7 17 0.7 10 0.4
2 Jack Macrae 287 13.7 267 12.7 554 26.4 97 4.6 8 0.4 92 4.4 117 5.6 88 4.2 5 0.2 6 0.3
3 Matthew Boyd 321 16.9 195 10.3 516 27.2 148 7.8 3 0.2 29 1.5 40 2.1 45 2.4 1 0.1 6 0.3
4 Liam Picken 248 11.8 249 11.9 497 23.7 94 4.5 2 0.1 75 3.6 135 6.4 75 3.6 13 0.6 9 0.4
5 Robert Murphy 324 15.4 147 7 471 22.4 96 4.6 0 0 11 0.5 32 1.5 63 3 2 0.1 2 0.1
6 Mitch Wallis 205 10.2 263 13.1 468 23.4 66 3.3 1 0 123 6.1 95 4.7 74 3.7 15 0.7 13 0.6
7 Marcus Bontempelli 261 12.4 183 8.7 444 21.1 69 3.3 50 2.4 105 5 116 5.5 102 4.9 17 0.8 10 0.5
8 Jason Johannisen 270 13.5 128 6.4 398 19.9 107 5.3 0 0 13 0.6 35 1.7 84 4.2 7 0.3 3 0.1
9 Easton Wood 224 10.2 167 7.6 391 17.8 155 7 0 0 9 0.4 31 1.4 51 2.3 5 0.2 0 0
10 Jake Stringer 236 10.7 78 3.5 314 14.3 77 3.5 6 0.3 36 1.6 59 2.7 69 3.1 56 2.5 32 1.5
11 Tory Dickson 172 7.5 126 5.5 298 13 71 3.1 0 0 18 0.8 72 3.1 56 2.4 50 2.2 12 0.5
12 Lachie Hunter 147 11.3 140 10.8 287 22.1 64 4.9 0 0 16 1.2 28 2.2 38 2.9 3 0.2 5 0.4
13 Stewart Crameri 140 7.8 146 8.1 286 15.9 71 3.9 3 0.2 15 0.8 45 2.5 51 2.8 32 1.8 21 1.2
14 Jarrad Grant 135 7.1 141 7.4 276 14.5 74 3.9 20 1.1 24 1.3 39 2.1 47 2.5 11 0.6 14 0.7
15 Koby Stevens 113 9.4 131 10.9 244 20.3 34 2.8 9 0.7 46 3.8 73 6.1 37 3.1 4 0.3 4 0.3
16 Michael Talia 126 9 109 7.8 235 16.8 82 5.9 2 0.1 1 0.1 19 1.4 14 1 2 0.1 1 0.1
17 Shane Biggs 141 14.1 56 5.6 197 19.7 34 3.4 0 0 7 0.7 21 2.1 27 2.7 3 0.3 0 0
18 Lin Jong 74 5.7 116 8.9 190 14.6 24 1.8 31 2.4 38 2.9 70 5.4 31 2.4 8 0.6 4 0.3
19 Jordan Roughead 82 5.1 78 4.9 160 10 66 4.1 170 10.6 13 0.8 54 3.4 17 1.1 4 0.2 2 0.1
20 Dale Morris 70 5 85 6.1 155 11.1 69 4.9 0 0 1 0.1 35 2.5 5 0.4 0 0 0 0
21 Caleb Daniel 55 5.5 76 7.6 131 13.1 23 2.3 0 0 6 0.6 22 2.2 19 1.9 6 0.6 2 0.2
22 Mitch Honeychurch 65 5.9 65 5.9 130 11.8 26 2.4 1 0.1 15 1.4 41 3.7 11 1 9 0.8 9 0.8
23 Fletcher Roberts 55 4.6 61 5.1 116 9.7 41 3.4 0 0 0 0 19 1.6 7 0.6 0 0 1 0.1
24 Tom Boyd 74 5.3 41 2.9 115 8.2 47 3.4 41 2.9 10 0.7 33 2.4 19 1.4 16 1.1 6 0.4
25 Joel Hamling 64 5.8 47 4.3 111 10.1 53 4.8 1 0.1 1 0.1 15 1.4 4 0.4 0 0 0 0
26 Lukas Webb 65 6.5 44 4.4 109 10.9 38 3.8 0 0 5 0.5 14 1.4 14 1.4 1 0.1 3 0.3
27 Jack Redpath 80 6.7 28 2.3 108 9 50 4.2 43 3.6 7 0.6 30 2.5 22 1.8 19 1.6 9 0.7
28 Will Minson 62 6.2 40 4 102 10.2 17 1.7 265 26.5 35 3.5 41 4.1 18 1.8 3 0.3 3 0.3
29 Nathan Hrovat 44 6.3 54 7.7 98 14 19 2.7 0 0 9 1.3 22 3.1 14 2 2 0.3 4 0.6
30 Brett Goodes 53 7.6 31 4.4 84 12 17 2.4 3 0.4 17 2.4 21 3 21 3 2 0.3 1 0.1
31 Bailey Dale 42 4.2 36 3.6 78 7.8 15 1.5 0 0 7 0.7 14 1.4 13 1.3 6 0.6 4 0.4
32 Tom Campbell 24 4 43 7.2 67 11.2 14 2.3 137 22.8 14 2.3 13 2.2 12 2 0 0 3 0.5
33 Toby McLean 28 7 34 8.5 62 15.5 18 4.5 0 0 5 1.2 6 1.5 8 2 2 0.5 0 0
34 Ayce Cordy 23 3.3 31 4.4 54 7.7 13 1.9 69 9.9 9 1.3 17 2.4 7 1 2 0.3 0 0
35 Josh Prudden 26 6.5 24 6 50 12.5 16 4 0 0 2 0.5 8 2 5 1.2 0 0 0 0
36 Sam Darley 23 11.5 14 7 37 18.5 8 4 0 0 1 0.5 6 3 3 1.5 0 0 0 0
37 Clay Smith 13 4.3 15 5 28 9.3 5 1.7 1 0.3 3 1 10 3.3 5 1.7 1 0.3 0 0

[townsendcalling]

Slow delivery around the boundary was never going to cut it!  We need a plan that will assist power forward in the future. Then let our power forwards develop.....

[Raydan]

I repeat, i don't see this list as any better than ours.....and they were missing Liba too. Put Walker up forward - show some ticker and intensity - the results will follow.

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Difference is the age/talent bracket. They had done their apprenticeship, worked 3-5 years at the bottom and were ready to flourish. They had pace and skill around the ball, great ball movement off half back, they had targets up forward and a whole team that works both ways - Tom Boyd aside. We don't have that yet.

We have traded away 4 first 18 players, plus through retirements and delistings let go 11 more. We are talent poor, and not quick around the ground. We have potential but that is all at the moment, for example Graham, we would trade him in a heartbeat for any of the Doggies mids, yet he will start for us this season. In fact Cripps aside we would trade any of our mids for theirs.

[flyboy77]

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Difference is the age/talent bracket. They had done their apprenticeship, worked 3-5 years at the bottom and were ready to flourish. They had pace and skill around the ball, great ball movement off half back, they had targets up forward and a whole team that works both ways - Tom Boyd aside. We don't have that yet.

We have traded away 4 first 18 players, plus through retirements and delistings let go 11 more. We are talent poor, and not quick around the ground. We have potential but that is all at the moment, for example Graham, we would trade him in a heartbeat for any of the Doggies mids, yet he will start for us this season. In fact Cripps aside we would trade any of our mids for theirs.

ok, leaving the capitualtion aside - that you believe CFC are schizen across the park.

WB midfield in 2015 (excl. Liba):

Biggs
Bontempelli
Matty Boyd
Dalhaus
Hamilton
Lin Jong
Macrae
Prudden
Smith
Stevens
Wallis

And you'd trade who for who exactly!

[Raydan]

I would trade Murphy, Gibbs, Curnow, Thomas, Graham for Dalhaus, Macrae, Stevens, Wallis, Daniel. Bontempelli is probably a Cripps equal.

That would be a huge win for us.

[rocky]

Quite surprised really that so many believe we will get another spoon, and I thought I was a pessimist. As others have suggested BARRING injuries I can't see us coming last. We only just got there last year when Brisbane got over a sub-standard doggies unit in the last round. We were only 2 points away from the suns at 16th. Granted sides will imporve (Ablett returns for GC) but by the same token other teams drop off. Cannot accept that the Lions are a better unit than us. Bloody hell we still managed to beat Melbourne when we were on our knees!
Think with everyone on deck, fit and well, and a couple of players improving will make all the difference.
Forward line is our achilles.

[Amers]

A good season could see us win 6-10 games, which would see us finish somewhere between 12 & 16th.

A couple of key in-season injuries would lower that expectation. I'm really hoping for an injury free season, for once, at least compared to recent years.

[flyboy77]

I would trade Murphy, Gibbs, Curnow, Thomas, Graham for Dalhaus, Macrae, Stevens, Wallis, Daniel. Bontempelli is probably a Cripps equal.

That would be a huge win for us.

Each to their own....