Clem Smith altercation

[PaulP]

There are two separate issues in this incident IMO :

1. drinking heavily (allegedly)
2. a bit of argy bargy

With point 1, an individual has complete control over how much or little alcohol they consume. This is the aspect for which I would be filthy at Clem, since he should not have been that plastered to begin with (assuming he was).

With point 2, an individual has less control over provocation, actions, intimation, threats etc. by others. Whilst we can say he should've just walked away, in the heat of the moment this is not always easy to do. Given the fact that the police don't expect to lay charges, and that he came off second best, I wonder if he was provoked and just got carried away.

[madbluboy]

Don't put these situations in the same boat, Smith drunk and got into with another guy.

Martin - Drunk and or drug affected, was asked to keep it down in a restaurant, threatened to kill and stab the woman while standing over her then hit the wall beside her head with force. All allegedly.

I've heard that whilst Martin admits he was out of line the woman was far from innocent and was actually going to be asked to leave herself before Dusty blew up. Allegedly lol.

[LP]

I've heard that whilst Martin admits he was out of line the woman was far from innocent and was actually going to be asked to leave herself before Dusty blew up. Allegedly lol.

How dare a diner ask a celebrity guest to behave in a civil manner.

Off with her Head! :o

Damn ordinary people, getting in the way of the Good Ol AFL'rs, there should be a law against it!

Women, walls, banging, is Dusty related to Abbott? :

[madbluboy]

How dare a diner ask a celebrity guest to behave in a civil manner.

Off with her Head! :o

Were you there?

[LP]

Were you there?

Were you?

So lets get this straight, your saying Dusty's alleged actions might be justified by the threatening or otherwise non-threatening behaviour of a medium to smallish woman with a waving finger!

Fair enough then, you've convinced me!  :-\

[madbluboy]

No but I'm not saying anything and trying to pass it off as fact, that's your caper.

I've heard another side to the story that the woman was just as vile and abusive as Martin was and Richmond have welcomed the police investigation because the truth can't get any worse than the picture being painted by the media at the moment.

[LP]

No but I'm not saying anything and trying to pass it off as fact, that's your caper.

I've heard another side to the story that the woman was just as vile and abusive as Martin was and Richmond have welcomed the police investigation because the truth can't get any worse than the picture being painted by the media at the moment.

So you really do think there a point at which the female's behaviour which justifies Dusty's behaviour, I'm shocked!

I can understand Nthmond pushing this line, but that is really just as piss poor as saying she had it coming!

Dusty and his friends could have easily left the venue or called the police as well if it was justified. But it seems people called the police based on Dusty's behaviour. Yet even if she was behaving abhorrently that still doesn't justify an AFL trained athlete who is 86kg of muscle standing nearly 6'3" using force or abuse as a method of dispute resolution with a woman.

There is no grey area in this regard, and anyone who thinks there is just contributes to the problem.

[laj]

Were you there?

Were you? If not not we can only take it at face value until we hear something more substantial otherwise. I'm sure if she was misbehaving herself she wouldn't get too worried about someone else misbehaving. Either way, no excuse for holding a chopstick above someone and threatening to stab someone in the eye no matter how the other person behaves.

[madbluboy]

Were you? If not not we can only take it at face value until we hear something more substantial otherwise. I'm sure if she was misbehaving herself she wouldn't get too worried about someone else misbehaving. Either way, no excuse for holding a chopstick above someone and threatening to stab someone in the eye no matter how the other person behaves.

I'm not taking any position on this despite what LP is trying to make out.

I just posted what I heard and that the chopstick threat and wall slamming wasn't as threatening as it has been made out to be.

Richmond believe if there is CCTV footage it will help Martin.

[PassIt2Carrots]

There is already mobile phone footage of Martin standing over the lady with a chop stick in her face. Martin is nothing more than a braindead bikie apologist who would more than likely be in jail if he couldn't play football well. That just about sums it up.