The Hard Road To The Premiership

[LoveNavy]

Neil Craig, there is your problem!

Not a good mentor??

[LP]

Not a good mentor??

Depends who he mentors. The reports I have is that he spends a lot of time with 1AW and Capuano to mentor the kids, in that case no, because if we judge him by the same criteria many judged Ratten then Craig is a failed AFL coach despite his finals success. We have to be consistent!

If he mentors Bolton, as long as he isn't doing a Malthouse and undermining Bolton, then it's a good role for him!

I'm deadly serious about that undermining comment, AFL is full of egomaniacs and psychopaths who think they should have the top job! Why does that worry me? Craig's ability to survive football club coups is a real worry, that reminds me of others we've had at Carlton relative to those we lost or moved on. It's often the finger-pointers and backstabber's that survive the first cull, because a lot of their effort goes into managing their own position. They are often Garry Lyon types, all talk, opinion, criticism and no action, their victims are often Fevola or Brownless types who are focussed on the job and never know what's happening until the bus hits them! Often it's the good people that walk away!

[Gointocarlton]

Depends who he mentors. The reports I have is that he spends a lot of time with 1AW and Capuano to mentor the kids, in that case no, because if we judge him by the same criteria many judged Ratten then Craig is a failed AFL coach despite his finals success. We have to be consistent!

If he mentors Bolton, as long as he isn't doing a Malthouse and undermining Bolton, then it's a good role for him!

I'm deadly serious about that undermining comment, AFL is full of egomaniacs and psychopaths who think they should have the top job! Why does that worry me? Craig's ability to survive football club coups is a real worry, that reminds me of others we've had at Carlton relative to those we lost or moved on. It's often the finger-pointers and backstabber's that survive the first cull, because a lot of their effort goes into managing their own position. They are often Garry Lyon types, all talk, opinion, criticism and no action, their victims are often Fevola or Brownless types who are focussed on the job and never know what's happening until the bus hits them! Often it's the good people that walk away!

I get all that LP but I honestly can't see NC having a desire to be top dog and therefore undermine the senior coach. He is doing the role now he always wanted, still involved in football day to day but imparting his teaching, development and high performance experience training.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Every club Neil Craig goes to prospers only  when he leaves, said this before but what numptie plays Taylor Walker in the SANFL for most of the season....Craig hasnt got a clue IMO and is past his use by date...

[LoveNavy]

Hmmmm some very interesting comments. Can't say I'm familiar with his career. Thankyou.
It sounds like it depends on the breadth of his role.

I can imagine though, as LP pointed out, the battle of the ego's. This phenomenon is present in arguably all large organizations. And yes, has a most powerful and often toxifying effect on culture. I can see that in our recent history >

To stay positive, I hope that Bolts get whatever he needs to develop to his potential.

[Gointocarlton]

Every club Neil Craig goes to prospers only  when he leaves, said this before but what numptie plays Taylor Walker in the SANFL for most of the season....Craig hasnt got a clue IMO and is past his use by date...

There's that age argument again :
There are a number of reasons why Walker was played in the SANFL back then, the main was probably that he was immature, lazy, flog. Thankfully, the penny dropped for him before it was too late.

[ElwoodBlues1]

There's that age argument again :
There are a number of reasons why Walker was played in the SANFL back then, the main was probably that he was immature, lazy, flog. Thankfully, the penny dropped for him before it was too late.

Craigs history speaks for itself.....apart from his hometown Crows, the only gigs he could get were with bottom teams Melbourne, Essendon and us.....no decent teams wanted him
We need a winning ex coach as coaching Director not a perennial loser like Craig whose finals winning record was only 33% and IMO he was/is a poor tactician...Bolton is a novice coach and needs better
than Craig helping him out...

[cookie2]

Craigs history speaks for itself.....apart from his hometown Crows, the only gigs he could get were with bottom teams Melbourne, Essendon and us.....no decent teams wanted him
We need a winning ex coach as coaching Director not a perennial loser like Craig whose finals winning record was only 33% and IMO he was/is a poor tactician...Bolton is a novice coach and needs better
than Craig helping him out...

You would think that Juddy will be looking to get the best possible people on board in the Footy Dept when he takes over as Footy Director. He would know all about NC.

[LP]

You would think that Juddy will be looking to get the best possible people on board in the Footy Dept when he takes over as Footy Director. He would know all about NC.

We don't really have a "Director of Football"

I understand Judd is to replace Bear Gleeson on the board, Gleeson's board portfolio is List Management.

Carlton's football executive if we have one is basically a panel with Gleeson, Mathieson, Trigg, McKay, Bolton, Silvagni and Craig.

[Gointocarlton]

Craigs history speaks for itself.....apart from his hometown Crows, the only gigs he could get were with bottom teams Melbourne, Essendon and us.....no decent teams wanted him
We need a winning ex coach as coaching Director not a perennial loser like Craig whose finals winning record was only 33% and IMO he was/is a poor tactician...Bolton is a novice coach and needs better
than Craig helping him out...

So if you read my post, I mentioned nothing about tactics etc, I referred to his teaching/development skills and high performance training credentials, the latter being unquestionable. I think he is a good fit for us given his role so lets just agree to disagree on this one.
As a matter of interest, who would you suggest would be a better option?