Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[Thryleon]

Hillary clinton is a great person worthy of a nobel peace prize.
Her work with the clinton foundation was exemplary, raising billions along with the IRC for the haitian
people in their time of desperate need. Her tireless work restored all the damaged services and housing shelters. The Haitian people owe a debt of gratitude to the Clinton family.

Im not going to dispute this, as I dont know anything about her, and good on her if this is all facts that are true.  Im sure she will get her time in the sun eventually.

Then lets not forget her vision for the middle east, giving the oppresed people of libya their country back from the tyrant leader quaddafi. Libya today is a model country of new found democracy, thriving education and human rights.
Lets all raise a glass to hillary ...here here 2020.

This is an interesting perspective.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/feature...45727.html

Ill defer to people who know things about this area much better than us.

It is an opinion piece, but frankly, I find nothing to suggest that Libya is even a nation that is united under one government, let alone democratic.




The other side of that though, is how much of that can be attributed to her anyway...

[mateinone]

I don't know a lot about the Haiti situation other than allegations by Trump, which like most allegations from him, most people ignored. I figured thrunthrublu was having a sarcastic dig at Clinton, because his next comment about Libya had to be sarcastic and it appears he believes that mess is Hilary's fault.

I actually have no time for Clinton in either case, but yeah I thought that was sarcastic.

I don't see how it is relevant to Trump and his presidency in any case. Hilary is gone, the election is over... What matters now is what Trump is doing as the most powerful man in the world... and it doesn't bode well.

I can imagine his aim is to tear apart the whole CIA and FBI, which it must be obvious he knows nothing about and ends up ripping out years of service and intelligence from the organisation.

For the sake of their country it seems almost inevitable that something has to happen soon, because he is now not just making a heck of a noise he is weakening relationships, weakening organisations and weakening his country.

[cookie2]

I don't know a lot about the Haiti situation other than allegations by Trump, which like most allegations from him, most people ignored. I figured thrunthrublu was having a sarcastic dig at Clinton, because his next comment about Libya had to be sarcastic and it appears he believes that mess is Hilary's fault.

I actually have no time for Clinton in either case, but yeah I thought that was sarcastic.

I don't see how it is relevant to Trump and his presidency in any case. Hilary is gone, the election is over... What matters now is what Trump is doing as the most powerful man in the world... and it doesn't bode well.

I can imagine his aim is to tear apart the whole CIA and FBI, which it must be obvious he knows nothing about and ends up ripping out years of service and intelligence from the organisation.

For the sake of their country it seems almost inevitable that something has to happen soon, because he is now not just making a heck of a noise he is weakening relationships, weakening organisations and weakening his country.

He won't be allowed to get that far IMO. He will need to appease the establishment power brokers eventually and I would put my money on something dramatic in the Middle East e.g. Iran. Apparently there is already a huge build up of military logistics and support in place.

[LP]

If Trump puts so little value on the welfare and safety of highly trained and expensive top secret assets like an intelligence operatives, what value does he place on the welfare and safety of Mr Joe Average?

Should they fight for Trump, would they fight for Trump?

People write that wars have been waged for an ideology, but all of the wars and conflicts seem to have a pivotal character behind the inspiration and motivation to defend or promote an ideology. Churchill, Hitler, Stalin, Ung, Kyi, Kennedy, Khrushchev, Napoleon, etc., etc.. Good or bad I expect that they all inspired some form of belief and trust that led their followers to follow.

I get nothing from Trump, every vitriolic mouthful he issues reminds me of a British Officer in a Monty Python sketch!

[madbluboy]

what value does he place on the welfare and safety of Mr Joe Average?

About the same as 99% of politicians.

[Mav]

About the same as 99% of politicians.

I wonder if his supporters are starting to understand that he's just like 99% of politicians - in it for himself, lies repeatedly, stands for nothing etc. etc.

[madbluboy]

I wonder if his supporters are starting to understand that he's just like 99% of politicians - in it for himself, lies repeatedly, stands for nothing etc. etc.

It only matters what the swing voters think and a lot of them knew who Trump is and they didn't care. It was an F U to the establishment. They will probably swing back in 2020 with Hillary out of the picture.

[Lods]

He may have "inspired" a lot of voters who didn't vote last time to have a go next time. ;D
Best argument against complacency ever

[PaulP]

Whatever one may think of the establishment, voting as an FU to them is dopey. Just throwing votes away without any knowledge or care about the policies, consequences etc. If any Yank thinks they are better off with Trump than HC, well, there's not much to say to that.

[Koutz]

Whatever one may think of the establishment, voting as an FU to them is dopey. Just throwing votes away without any knowledge or care about the policies, consequences etc. If any Yank thinks they are better off with Trump than HC, well, there's not much to say to that.

Why? Because the media tells you that you are better off with the establishment?

Please tell me what trump has done in the last 5 months since taking office that has effected you in a negitive way?