Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[cookie2]

Did you read that Trump's "Muslim Ban" allegedly excludes many countries that have a Trump Investment, like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Turkey!

Not to mention Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, the two main sponsors of ISIS.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Canada has agreed to take the fish that Trump rejects, in this case muslim refugees, anyone who has been to Canada knows how hard they do border security so for them to open the doors to annoy the USA is very amusing...

[Baggers]

Not to mention Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, the two main sponsors of ISIS.

Beat me to it, Spotted One and Fluffy Biscuit. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. And the Muslims responsible (so called) for the 9/11 attacks all hail from the nations you guys mentioned, not from the Muslim nations that c0ckhead has banned.  ??? ???

[LP]

Beat me to it, Spotted One and Fluffy Biscuit. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. And the Muslims responsible (so called) for the 9/11 attacks all hail from the nations you guys mentioned, not from the Muslim nations that c0ckhead has banned.  ??? ???

If the rumours are true about the US Visa requirements, I've a bunch of friends who are financially cooked as the need to travel to the US for business regularly but spent two months touring some of the banned countries last year!

[sandsmere]

Well it was the election with the 2 worst candidates ever and 1 had to win.

When the alternative was the crooked, lying, money-laundering Clintons, the result doesn't seem so bad to me.


Australia could do with some changes to our immigration laws too.

[flyboy77]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...ama-legacy

for all those still missing the good ol' Obama days!

[Lods]

It's a circus (as we thought it would be) and he's the ringmaster

He made some promises during the election campaign and these first couple of weeks are about him showing he can keep them but...

He promised to build a wall that will now resemble a flyscreen.
Mexico will pay...but now indirectly :
In fact what will happen if he slaps a tax on Mexican products is that folk will buy American instead, which is his aim

He promised to ban immigration from Muslim dominated countries until it could be properly vetted....what we get is a ban from selected countries for a period of 90-120 days.
That will be over in a blink, but a promise kept.

He's kept his promises in a half-hearted fashion. He can say he kept them... but he's got the world in a tizz.

Problem is it's not the world that counts and as criticism mounts overseas he expands his own base locally as americans become defensive about that criticism...protesters we see in the streets aren't Trump supporters anyway so they're protesting to the converted.

He's a Chaos Lord and he's being fed exactly what he wants at the moment.

The strange thing is that the group of people who will be effective in stopping him going on his merry way are the Republican lawmakers, if they have the will...and that's where it sits at the moment.

[LP]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...ama-legacy

for all those still missing the good ol' Obama days!

Just a quick question Flyboy.

Under the current Trump regime and potentially coming from a pro-Trump source, the alleged source Micah Zenko apparently defends Trump's security policy and is the author of a book titled Red: How to Win by "Thinking" like the Enemy(Some think it's basically "An Eye for an Eye" manifesto!), how do we know if this is a "Real" or "Alternative" fact?

I cannot say I've read Micah's book, and I'm also not sure if the assertions or commentary that he is pro-Trump are accurate, but there is enough of that subject matter out there to raise the question!

Who do we trust in this debate, liars who conceal their lies, or liars who is blatant about lying?

The world is now in an awful situation, public opinion and policy is dominated by racists, capitalists and racist capitalists. Both sides of the debate are finger pointing f-knuckles, here and abroad!

[Thryleon]

If the rumours are true about the US Visa requirements, I've a bunch of friends who are financially cooked as the need to travel to the US for business regularly but spent two months touring some of the banned countries last year!

Maybe, I heard a factoid that the Visa requirements were not so strict if you travelled on your US passport.

So dual nationals will not be adversely affected provided they travel on their US passport.

There is so much one sided journalism going on on that it can only be called propaganda and its hard to check what are the actual fall out of these decisions.

On that topic, the abortion point is interesting.  There is some emotive debating going on surrounding the rights of women, and how men are deciding on those rights, but that is a straw man's (or woman's) argument.  The funding decision is made by the appropriate party (people in power) regarding how they will fund groups in terms of providing information to the public.  This doesnt mean that the abortions are unavailable, its a policy choice, based on a funding model but the way its reported is extremely irresponsible aiming at directing public opinion rather than providing facts.

It requires some heavy digging to discover that, and IMHO, thats not the way these topics should be discussed.  It renders discussions defunct and seems to be the current social media warfare trend of just throwing mud and then making it stick.  I don't like it, and thats a bigger issue than any policy or decision the Trump administration has signed off thus far.

That also doesn't mean I agree with any of the above decisions.  Its all flaky check box ticking with no substance at this point, but I expected nothing less so soon into a new presidency.  I have seen some emotive arguments put forward, but emotions shouldnt drive these decisions but cold hard, calculation and facts.

[LP]

Maybe, I heard a factoid that the Visa requirements were not so strict if you travelled on your US passport.

So dual nationals will not be adversely affected provided they travel on their US passport.

There is so much one sided journalism going on on that it can only be called propaganda and its hard to check what are the actual fall out of these decisions....

Agreed about the reporting, both sides are going down the "Alternative Fact" route and Joe Average has very little way to verify the facts.

On the VISA issue, fair enough in regards to US citizens Thry, but I wasn't referring to US nationals I'm referring to Australian's who have established business dealings in the US and can apparently no longer get a VISA to visit there due to extended holidays they took last year traveling through various blacklisted countries. Some of them were volunteering on their holidays as part of humanitarian visits with MSF!