Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[cookie2]

I heard one Republican say something along the lines of Trump only having to come up with one grammatically correct sentence to be considered a winner.  Clinton, on the other hand, has to articulate and defend policies.

I'm more than happy to not watch/listen to either of them.

The whole saga is grotesque.

[madbluboy]

She will get personal and he will get personal then Trump will be called a bully.

Nailed it.

The "bully" line is getting a big run already.

[Lods]

Clinton won....

Fox news folk are saying as much, and if that's the case she's a clear winner.

[LP]

Nailed it.

The "bully" line is getting a big run already.

You mean like the Birther debate.

When Trump talks of those poor African Americans living in poverty, he is talking to white trash likes it's a boast.

They both have a problem, neither of them can make America great again without hurting allies. Trump is blatant about it, Clinton is political.

[Mav]

MBB, not sure you could say she got personal.  He's running for President and his record is a valid issue.  What he did regarding the birther campaign, for instance, was part of his run for the Presidency.  What he has done in business is relevant too.  He boasts about it as proof of his ability and the flipside is also relevant.  She didn't make any truly personal comments.  She didn't talk about his hands or his failed marriages, for instance.

[LP]

Clinton won....

Fox news folk are saying as much, and if that's the case she's a clear winner.

Lods the problem is they poll people who watch the whole debate, Trump's supporters probably turned off after 10 minutes so the polls may not reflect the majority.

[Lods]

Lods the problem is they poll people who watch the whole debate, Trump's supporters probably turned off after 10 minutes so the polls may not reflect the majority.

It's not the polled folk....it's the Fox commentators.
They'ré clearly disappointed.

If they're finding negatives, then he didn't do very well.
In the hours to come they'll find positives but at the moment they're struggling to find his good moments.

[Mav]

To an extent, LP, that ignores the issue.  Those who don't watch the whole debate will absorb the concensus about the outcome of the debate.  That may change votes, whatever the truth might be.  That's why "the Spin Room" after debates is so important.  Proxies try to spin their candidate's performance to try to win the "5th quarter".

[LP]

To an extent, LP, that ignores the issue.  Those who don't watch the whole debate will absorb the concensus about the outcome of the debate.  That may change votes, whatever the truth might be.  That's why "the Spin Room" after debates is so important.  Proxies try to spin their candidate's performance to try to win the "5th quarter".

It's not the polled folk....it's the Fox commentators.
They'ré clearly disappointed.

If they're finding negatives, then he didn't do very well.
In the hours to come they'll find positives but at the moment they're struggling to find his good moments.

Agree with both of you, the media is smashing Trump.

But I think that is from a sense of guilt as Trump is the monster they have created, the US media have become Frankenstein and the monster will turn on them!

[madbluboy]

MBB, not sure you could say she got personal.  He's running for President and his record is a valid issue.  What he did regarding the birther campaign, for instance, was part of his run for the Presidency.  What he has done in business is relevant too.  He boasts about it as proof of his ability and the flipside is also relevant.  She didn't make any truly personal comments.  She didn't talk about his hands or his failed marriages, for instance.

I wanted her to get more personal with Trump, she need the moderator to come to her aid a couple of times. My problem is whenever Trump holds her to account he's a bully.

Trump pretty much controlled the whole debate, he dominated the start and then side tracked himself a few times getting agitated at Lester. Clinton read from a piece of paper and was uninspiring as usual.

I don't think any Americans would have changed their minds after what took place today.