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Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
(07-28-2016, 11:32 PM)Mav link Wrote:No doubt the Yanks are better at the preacher-style of uplifting and florid oratory.  But I suspect that Australian audiences don't warm to it.  You can imagine that attempts to duplicate this style in Australian politics would be met with blunt assessments that the speaker was being a wanker.

Got it in one! Words are maybe just about tolerated but if there's no subsequent delivery on them then the flak is merciless, and rightly so IMO.
Reality always wins in the end.
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(07-28-2016, 11:32 PM)Mav link Wrote:No doubt the Yanks are better at the preacher-style of uplifting and florid oratory.  But I suspect that Australian audiences don't warm to it.  You can imagine that attempts to duplicate this style in Australian politics would be met with blunt assessments that the speaker was being a wanker.

Possibly
Yet... It impresses us when we hear it.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that our leaders are just figureheads and extensions of parties...whereas a President is much more an individual.
Our system means that it's difficult to get a quality candidate to come from "out of the blue" without years of battling through the party structure.
That means that real quality or impressive people aren't always drawn to the job of country leader.
Hawke is probably the closest we've had to someone who was a high profile figure, who also had the substance and political skills, progressing swiftly to the leadership.
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Not sure how the democrat elites can bash trump about his border wall to stop illegal immigrants when they have put up an 8 foot, 4 mile fence around their convention to protect themselves.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
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(07-29-2016, 12:04 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Not sure how the democrat elites can bash trump about his border wall to stop illegal immigrants when they have put up an 8 foot, 4 mile fence around their convention to protect themselves.

The planned extreme security measures for the Republican Convention were overturned as unconstitutional by a federal judge:

Quote:CLEVELAND—A federal judge on Thursday struck down the city of Cleveland’s rules limiting protests during next month’s Republican National Convention, finding the city’s strict security regulations violated the U.S. Constitution.

U.S. District Judge James Gwin ruled the city’s establishment of a large zone around the July convention site within which protesters’ ability to demonstrate would be strictly limited contravened the Constitution’s guarantees of the freedom of speech and assembly.

Given Trump's promotion of violence to his opponents and the prevalence of gun nuts, the Democratic Convention's security measures seem quite reasonable, particularly with the convention's strong backing for gun control . . . and their measures apparently don't contravene the constitution.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball
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but the democrats should feel secure, they live in the greatest country in the world! Right? Smile)

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
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So the choices are no security of any kind or ridiculously over the top measures?  Pity there can't be a moderate response instead ...
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(07-28-2016, 07:55 AM)Lods link Wrote:Assange has a problem with the Obama admin and by extension Hillary.
They're after him.
They want to lock him up until 2116
I'm sceptical that there is anything really damaging to Clinton but just for arguments sake....

What would be the best way to play it if he does have more material to dump...which he suggests he does have.
The material relating to Sanders would best be used at the convention where his supporters could disrupt.
That "wave" has largely been ridden and negotiated.

Anything specifically damaging to Hillary would best be used a week or two out from the election when there wouldn't be time to counter and recover.

On this topic: But What If Trump Is Right About Russia Having Clinton's Email?, Huffington Post.
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What about Trump encouraging a foreign "enemy" power to hack Clinton's/Democrats' emails?

You may be able to get away with that in the WWF but not as an aspiring president of the USA.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball
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Nice zinger from Hillary after cataloguing things he has made overseas:
Quote:Mr Trump talks about making America great again.  How about starting by making things in America again.
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And that's finally the end of 8 days of conventioneering.  Now we have to wait to see who gets a bump in the polls. 

No doubt the DNC convention was far more coherent and well stage-managed.  It had a far more impressive list of speakers (if only we still had the vomit emoji which would be the best way of summing up Scott Baio).  But will the shambolic RNC convention and fear-mongering appeal to those who are distrustful of slick politicians and value "telling it like it is"?
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