Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[ElwoodBlues1]

Ukraine is of strategic importance bordering NATO countries, has shared power grids that Russia feed and Putin wants his place in history like other Russian leaders and wants to be a war hero. Russia also have a massive say in world economics via Gas, Oil etc and that affects us all. He wants to reclaim rogue ex Russian states and have the old USSR back together.

[Professer E]

If Trump wins Ukraine is finished, eastern Europe is in trouble and the knock on effect will promote others to jump the fence and start problems.  I fear for us.  Big enemies and no assistance forthcoming.

Putin is trying to complete Stalin's plans from 1945.  Who thinks the tanks are going to stop at the Moselle next time?

[PaulP]

In some ways Trump is quite unique, in other ways he is properly representative of a growing global trend for leaders as right wing populist, buffoonish caricatures : South America, India, Italy and many others. I would include ScoMo in this as well. The triumph of spectacle and corporate tyranny, extolling the virtues of Neo-liberalism and a non reality based world view.

[madbluboy]

Before Trump became president everyone was saying he's dangerous and he will start all of these wars but the opposite happened.

[PaulP]

He is dangerous - the war / no war thing is one part of a larger whole.

[Thryleon]

Without being overly dramatic...Folks probably said the same thing about Czechoslovakia and Poland in the late 1930s.
Once Ukraine is 'annexed' where to next for a Russian president who seems intent on 'returning' Russian borders to something resembling the USSR

There is a pretty good reason why we should be concerned.
There's a good reason why the American response is important...because there may come a time when we need to be concerned about the strength of our own relationship with the USA.

I didn't see anyone getting too worked up about the USA marching into Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

Those are the "good guys" invading.  In war there are no good guys. Only victims.

There's the good old brand of freedom being dished out by the USA that no one cares about.  Until they do.  Ukraine or Russia makes no difference.  There is no what next. There is no slippery slope.  All there is is the next war for the next Territory or resource which will continue for eternity whilst people walk the earth.

Ukraine should have minimal impact by regime change in the states and has nothing to do with the price of fish because that war or proxy war lives and dies by NATO.  The end.

[madbluboy]

He is dangerous - the war / no war thing is one part of a larger whole.

We made it through his first term.

[PaulP]

We made it through his first term.

Both God and the devil reside in the details. You need to look beyond paid off, sycophantic media outlets.

[ElwoodBlues1]

I didn't see anyone getting too worked up about the USA marching into Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

Those are the "good guys" invading.  In war there are no good guys. Only victims.

There's the good old brand of freedom being dished out by the USA that no one cares about.  Until they do.  Ukraine or Russia makes no difference.  There is no what next. There is no slippery slope.  All there is is the next war for the next Territory or resource which will continue for eternity whilst people walk the earth.

Ukraine should have minimal impact by regime change in the states and has nothing to do with the price of fish because that war or proxy war lives and dies by NATO.  The end.

re: Saddam,The supposed good guys were looking after their Oil, the USA only get involved where there is a dollar to be made or saved. As Prof suggested Ukraine might be in trouble if Trump gets in and Id be worried if I was living in Taiwan too...

[Baggers]

Before Trump became president everyone was saying he's dangerous and he will start all of these wars but the opposite happened.

I don't recall much said about those things. What I mostly heard was that he was a morally corrupt capitalist whore.