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(05-12-2023, 01:38 AM)LP link Wrote:Anyway it didn't take long, one legal loss and the floodgates have opened, lawyers and other alleged Whitehouse victims are queuing up like patrons at a Ferris Wheel!
In social media circles he's already being renamed GOTUS (Groper of the US)
To me this was always Trump's fear and motivation, he needs the US Presidency to help him avoid or delay his catching the karma bus. He is a dirty rotten grub of a human, but he is no murdering psychopath.
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Hope they don’t give him the chance to prove you wrong.
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The problem with this argument is the old eternal one.
Who's the biggest?
It boils down to which one we each think personally, due to our own biases and values.... is the biggest dick.
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(05-12-2023, 02:10 AM)Lods link Wrote:The problem with this argument is the old eternal one.
Who's the biggest?
It boils down to which one we each think personally, due to our own biases and values.... is the biggest dick. I'm tipping the people from the Ukraine would have a fairly certain view based on first hand experience.
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Looking at the question from another perspective:
Do I support the elimination of Putin? Absolutely!
Do I support the elimination of Aurangzeb? Not yet!
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(05-12-2023, 02:10 AM)Lods date Wrote:The problem with this argument is the old eternal one. I suppose the problem is the answer can vary dependant on when the question is asked, before his rise Hitler was spinning himself as a man of the people, the working class man's hero, afterwards not so much!
Do we see patterns of behaviour that are only really separated by where and when?
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(05-12-2023, 02:25 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I'm tipping the people from the Ukraine would have a fairly certain view based on first hand experience.
And I'd share their view...but others would argue regarding the 'potential' for Trump.
But potential is just a guess, educated though it might be, and until such time as the opportunity arises and the potential is realised... it remains a guess.
That goes to this point.
(05-12-2023, 02:29 AM)LP link Wrote:I suppose the problem is the answer can vary dependant on when the question is asked, before his rise Hitler was spinning himself as a man of the people, the working class man's hero, afterwards not so much!
Do we see patterns of behaviour that are only really separated by where and when?
A whole range of conditions contributed to the rise of Nazism in Germany.
You could argue that some of those were externally imposed following the defeat in WW1.
But essentially, yes... it boils down to the 'wrong' person in the 'wrong' place at the 'wrong' time.
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(05-12-2023, 01:07 AM)Mav link Wrote:Isn’t that what we all thought in 2016 Lods? No way they’ll vote in a racist, sexist liar like Trump? And then at each stage, the delusion continued. Now he’s the Republican Candidate, he’ll steer to the centre. Now he’s the President, he’ll be more presidential. Now he’s lost the election, he’ll admit defeat for the good of the country. I’m not going with wishful thinking. And there’s no doubt he’ll push harder against Democratic guardrails if he gets in this time. He’ll select far right minions to do his dirty work right off the bat and bring the DOJ and FBI to heel. Then he’ll unleash anti-democratic strategies the far right think tanks have been cooking up. Don’t expect the Supreme Court to stand in the way. Clarence Thomas’s wife is a far right activist and he’s bought and paid for by Harlan Crow. And there’s another 4 arch-conservative justices who rarely stood in Trump’s way when he was last in power.
The thing you’ve neatly sidestepped is what happens to Putin if Trump wins the election. There’s little doubt Putin will win big if Trump wins. If the war in Ukraine is still going on, Ukraine will be forked. MAGA is pro-Putin and there are already outspoken GOP critics of the US backing Ukraine. There won’t be anything to stop him handing the Ukraine over to Putin. And there won’t be anything to stop Trump helping Putin back onto the world stage. In fact, just the prospect of Trump winning election will encourage Putin to keep the war going so he can win after the US backs away. Isn’t emboldening Putin evil?
Thry, that’s the thing I love about the far right. They’re all for people having freedom of speech and freedom to live their lives as they wish. Well, as long as they approve of that speech or way of life. Just don’t say gay or write books they don’t like. Or be gay or trans. Or a feminist. Or Muslim. Or be non-white (unless you have honorary white status). Or be left-wing. Can’t you just smell the freedom?
Ills on both sides of the political spectrum.
Communist Russia vs Nationalist Juntas simply obliterate people who arent "with the leader".
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Russia under Putin isn’t communist or even pretend-communist. It’s a Christian nationalist oligopoly or kleptocracy. That’s why right-wingers love Putin - he’s one of theirs.
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Putin wants to be a hero and go down in history as a reformer and one who brought Russia back to world domination.
His heroes are people like Pyotr Stolypin who was a Prime Minister who was seen as the greatest reformer in Russian History.
Trump could cut a nice deal with Putin if he was back in charge and both could come away with wins, could be the only way to end the Ukraine war other than assassinate Putin which hasnt worked....Ukraine would be the loser but with the world economy back to normal as a result there might be a few in the USA who might think about it with fears of recessions etc..
Wouldnt be my idea of a resolution leaving Zelensky adrift but the USA have no morals when its comes to money ,politics and taking the economic solution in preference to the morally right one...
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