Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[Mav]

Interesting. Juror 77 who joined in the unanimous jury verdict (under NY law, verdicts must be unanimous), was a bit of a MAGA fan. He survived an application to dismiss him for inferred bias as he had listened on a few occasions over the preceding 6 months to a podcast by Tim Pool, a far-right, pro-Trump commentator aligned with Steve Bannon. Strangely enough, Trump’s lawyer was forced to argue that a political affiliation didn’t mean bias, although Trump has smeared anyone who might vote for Democrats as clearly biased against him. The trial judge denied the application.

I had assumed E Jean Carroll had been lucky to score a jury full of Democrats, which wasn’t far fetched because NY is a very Blue State. But there was a Trump-friendly juror who could have vetoed any verdict against Trump. Maybe he did a deal to go along with the verdict if the rape allegation wasn’t proven. Trump is already trying to paint it as a verdict by a jury of biased Democrats under the direction of a biased Democratic judge who manipulated the trial to ensure a verdict against him. Yet the jury had a far-right-leaning juror and the judge allowed him to stay on the jury.

In a haunting reminder of how Trump has attacked democratic institutions using stochastic terrorism (making calls for action against his enemies in the hope that some will use violence against them), the trial judge advised the jury to remain anonymous as they had during the trial by his order. He suggested that the 15 minutes of fame they might receive by appearing in the media was not worth the consequences that might flow. And he told the jurors that any juror who took that risk should not identify any other juror and put them in harms way. My God, this a former POTUS and the judge, rightly, gave the jury advice he would have given in the case of the criminal trial of a Mafia Don.

[LP]

My God, this a former POTUS and the judge, rightly, gave the jury advice he would have given in the case of the criminal trial of a Mafia Don.

So who is worse, Trump or Putin?

[Mav]

Trump wants to be Putin. He wants to destroy democratic institutions so he can be as autocratic as Putin. But if he manages it, he’ll be far more powerful than Putin given Russia’s weakened state.

[Baggers]

So who is worse, Trump or Putin?

Like asking if you'd rather be belted in the plums by a cricket or baseball bat.

Or... being asked whether you'd prefer to drink a litre of arsenic or strychnine.

Either way, same result.

[DJC]

So who is worse, Trump or Putin?

Hard call!

I think that Putin is smarter than Aurangzeb so I'll go with the latter; an intellectually challenged, narcissistic sociopath is probably more dangerous than your run of the mill narcissistic sociopath.  Context is an issue too; the US system and half the populace wouldn't stand for the usurpation of power, Putin is already there.

[Gointocarlton]

Like asking if you'd rather be belted in the plums by a cricket or baseball bat.

Or... being asked whether you'd prefer to drink a litre of arsenic or strychnine.

Either way, same result.

I might be naive here but Putin is a screwen animal that should captured and tortured for as many days as the war in Ukraine has lasted and then cut up into little pieces on the steps of the Kremlin on live TV. Trump is fwit but an animal who mows down cities, women and children he is not. Perspective kids.

[DJC]

I might be naive here but Putin is a screwen animal that should captured and tortured for as many days as the war in Ukraine has lasted and then cut up into little pieces on the steps of the Kremlin on live TV. Trump is fwit but an animal who mows down cities, women and children he is not. Perspective kids.

Fair points G2C.

My argument is that Putin knows what he’s doing, reprehensible as that may be.  Aurangzeb doesn’t know what he’s doing and is potentially more dangerous but, as I said previously, the USA system and people should be able to neutralise Aurangzeb.  Putin already has complete control of Russia, as far that is possible.

So, Putin is worse, as things stand, but Aurangzeb has the potential to outstrip Putin simply because he could gain control of a superpower and would do anything that could further his own interests.

As an aside, Tennessee has banned drag acts and random male musicians are performing in dresses in protest.  It’s a strange place even if you ignore the gun violence.

[Gointocarlton]

Fair points G2C.

My argument is that Putin knows what he’s doing, reprehensible as that may be.  Aurangzeb doesn’t know what he’s doing and is potentially more dangerous but, as I said previously, the USA system and people should be able to neutralise Aurangzeb.  Putin already has complete control of Russia, as far that is possible.

So, Putin is worse, as things stand, but Aurangzeb has the potential to outstrip Putin simply because he could gain control of a superpower and would do anything that could further his own interests.

As an aside, Tennessee has banned drag acts and random male musicians are performing in dresses in protest.  It’s a strange place even if you ignore the gun violence.

Even at his dumbest worst, Trump couldn't commit the atrocities that beast has even if he tried. What makes me sick to the core is that the world has to essentially stand by and watch the maggot do it.

[LP]

Even at his dumbest worst, Trump couldn't commit the atrocities that beast has even if he tried. What makes me sick to the core is that the world has to essentially stand by and watch the maggot do it.

So you are confident that if Trump thought he could get away with becoming the US version of a War Mongering Oligarch he wouldn't do it, .................. interesting! :o

[Gointocarlton]

So you are confident that if Trump thought he could get away with becoming the US version of a War Mongering Oligarch he wouldn't do it, .................. interesting! :o

Yes that's what I think, Putin is the lowest form of life on the planet by a long way and some of you a drawing a very long bow having him on par with Trump. That animal stands alone on the podium of Kents. As much as I can't stand that moron, fair suck of the sauce bottle re Trump kids.