Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[Thryleon]

Well you are of course free to be wrong, as was Trump, as we all are.

We are also free to have an opinion, but nothing in nature states our opinions have to be treated equally, it's a perspective of life that many seem to struggle with, particularly it seems those who struggle the most are many with a high public profile!

I suspect Harris might be the next President.

Nothing surer LP.  If Kamala Harris takes office during Biden's regime, the Republicans will win the next election easily.

People hate politics and the feeling of being deceived more than anything else.  In my mind, there has been no greater way to lose an election than changing leaders mid stream, because the people feel stiffed when their elected leader is replaced by someone who didn't win the election under their own steam.

We know all about this here.  From Rudd, Gillard back to Rudd, Abbot, Turnbull and now Scomo, its all about pigs putting their noses in the trough and I personally think that Trump won the election because of this more than anything else.  I'd wager that Trump supporters see him more as one of them than the rest.  The political figures tend to be better at the public appearance than actually giving anyone any real substance.

Trump didnt pretend.  he was too arrogant to bother.  He was exactly what he was, and that was ultimately what cost him more than anything else, but its also the reason he won office to start with, and its best we dont ignore that.  IMHO, id rather someone be despicable for being who they are, than despicable for being someone they arent.

Its amazing.  Politicians couldnt be more disconnected from joe average these days, which is the main reason people mistrust the whole political system.

The monarchy was despised for the same reasons universally.  Governments have come and gone, and it looks as though absolute power corrupts absolutely and the masses are the only ones paying for it.

the only thing modern politics has going for it, is that more people have more wealth than ever before, but I suspect that this is something that wont last and sooner or later the system will ensure class division continues.

[Mav]

The democrats want unity despite smashing Trump for 4 years. Good luck.

Trump and the GOP smashed Obama (and Biden) for 8 years, so they’re well ahead on that score. But maybe when Trump becomes old news for the GOP, none of that will matter.

[DJC]

The democrats want unity despite smashing Trump for 4 years. Good luck.

The Democrats would have been derelict in their duty if they hadn’t smashed the ex-POTUS.  The sad thing is that the Republicans are only just realising that they should have been smashing him too.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the insurrection brings about a more united congress.  The attitude of senior Republicans towards the ex-POTUS has hardened considerably since he placed them in harm’s way.

[Mav]

MBB, have you heard the gossip that Trump plans to start his own party? If so, you’d think Republicans will be thinking the enemy of our enemy is our friend ...

[Mav]

Looks like Trump’s future is to be a much less powerful American version of Pauline Hanson!

[capcom]

Hilary called on all democrats and the public to never accept the result of the vote in 2020.

Trump asks obvious questions?  Sore loser.  Pathetic

[Baggers]

MBB, have you heard the gossip that Trump plans to start his own party? If so, you’d think Republicans will be thinking the enemy of our enemy is our friend ...

I wonder if the Republicans, should the Orange One succeed at starting a new political party, would be concerned he could take the far right lunies away from them! And that would mean political oblivion for the Republicans... I wonder if that plays a part in their impeachment thinking.

[madbluboy]

The attitude of senior Republicans towards the ex-POTUS has hardened considerably since he placed them in harm’s way.

They didn't want him until he beat them all, now he's finished they don't need him.

[PaulP]

And Biden was hardly an inspiring, popular candidate!  To paraphrase Bill Hayden, a drover’s dog could have led the Democrats to victory.

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Whatever other issues beset the Democrats in 2016, underestimating Trump was one of the biggest. He is very popular with a certain part of the American population, no doubt about it.

[PaulP]

I see the point, but Biden and Clinton's popularity is not really relevant when assessing Trump's popularity.
Bill down  the street has more friends than I do...that doesn't mean I'm not popular...and am gathering new friends.
Sure the Democratic candidates attracted a lot more of the popular vote but...
Trump should have gone down in a screaming heap, voters should have deserted him in droves (and many did), but somehow he increased his vote by about 10 million.
That's ten million extra  people who were either satisfied with the way he was doing his job or were concerned about the alternative.
Now the fact that more folks turned out means both sides go up in numbers, but that doesn't negate the concerning reality that there was some factor that meant Trump attracted more people to vote for him than voted for him in 2016.
Trump's popularity claims (like most of his estimates) are over the top but how popular was he?..about 74 million (I suspect it's dropped a bit since November.)
You would think that the Democratic Party would be looking at those numbers with a little interest, and not dismissing them in the euphoria of victory in planning the next couple of years.

I suspect we are discussing two different things Lods. Your focus is that Trump picked up lots of additional votes this time around (when he should have picked up none), but my focus is that no matter how many popular votes he receives, he's never won the actual popular vote. We (as in Carlton) could score 100 points per game, which in and of itself is impressive, and a big jump from previous years. But it matters little if the opp is scoring 120.