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(11-25-2020, 12:22 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Thanks David, bet it's beautiful in your part of the world today... sensational on the Island.
I wish they'd reported on Donny's response to the question of him pardoning himself from one of the journos. Would have been fascinating.
His media conference today was fascinating... 1 minute of how he and his administration has created the best ever Dow... though others are reporting the strong Dow is due to Biden's cabinet, especially their liking of the finance woman, who is apparently deeply respected by financial markets and gurus. Does his narcissism know no bounds... a rhetorical question of course.
Beautiful here today Baggers even if I spoiled it a little by burning off.
Now that I know that the POTUS will be off like a piece of cheese in January, I can have a chuckle at his bizarre language and inability to grasp concepts that a sixth grader would be all over. However, I still have concerns that he will cause another calamity before he’s shown the door.
I suspect that Biden will give him a pardon but he will still be hounded through the courts for years to come.
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(11-24-2020, 08:14 AM)Lods link Wrote:The pardoning thing is a bit dicey.
Can he pardon himself...seems a bit of a grey area...and opinion seems to favor a 'no'
Could he resign tomorrow and have President Pence pardon him?
Does a pardon apply to legal actions across the board...criminal and civil?
I think the pardoning thing has been covered by others, but i think its as much about Immunity rather than a pardon.
With immunity he can't be charged.
A pardon is generally done after charges stick.....but not always as has been pointed out.
A pardon still does imply guilt in most peoples minds, whereas immunity does less so.
Either way, i reckon trump will take anything he can get....im just not sure if he will get offered anything.
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The POTUS has pardoned Michael Flynn; predictable but perhaps not to the POTUS's advantage; Flynn is now not covered by the 5th amendment and could be required to answer questions that may implicate others.
It also seems that pardons can be voided if corrupt ...
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On the low standard of proof used by Trump and his cronies when it comes to their own conspiracy theories (it feels like something’s going on & critics have to disprove them), there’s no doubt Trump pardoning Flynn and others after dangling pardons at a time they might testify against him was corrupt. But proving that in a court of law would be next to impossible. Ironically, he would then demand that type of conspiracy be proved beyond reasonable doubt by introducing cogent and admissible evidence. Hypocritical much?
Some suspected that Nixon did a deal with Ford that Ford would pardon him if he resigned. Ford rejected that accusation vehemently. He relied on a telephone call he made to Nixon in the presence of 2 witnesses in which he told Nixon he wouldn’t guarantee a pardon. Unless Trump and his lawyers are complete idiots (and that’s possible), Trump will have made sure he has plausible deniability.
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The Oligarchy that run the states wouldnt have rubber stamped Trumps presidency if they didnt want him privy to enough information that could bring down the lot.
He will get away with everything he is being accused of, unless they dont want him to, and in the process he will cause more trouble for them than its worth and they know it.
For anyone who thinks that he will actually face any adversity, they are in for a bit of dissapointment IMHO.
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NY ain’t going to pull any punches. Saying he’s going to withhold vaccines from NY shows he expects the NY prosecutors will keep on investigating.
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11-29-2020, 03:04 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6hRDS3LvQQ
There was an estimate based on current infection rates, that delivering the same Trump style treatment regime to the infected percentage of the US population would cost US$4.5T, ($4,500,000,000,000) .............. sure they were all getting it, ............. and vaccines are a waste of money! : 
Trump offered $5B for exclusive US access to the vaccine, he knew exactly what COVID costs yet politically he chose to claim treatment was effective. His actions did not match his words yet his followers seem/are oblivious to the reality!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"
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In some ways, Covid is perfect for Trump’s base. It is far more deadly to black and brown people and the poor. White supremacists must think it was heaven-sent by their (White) God.
Even the poor and elderly amongst Trump’s base would focus on the harm it’s doing to those “others” rather than on the risks Covid poses to them.
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Been thinking....
I wonder what secret stuff Presidents really get told once they assume power. 
...and what would cause one who's a bit of a loose cannon to reveal where the aliens are really buried. ;D
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