Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[PaulP]

Paul, I agree with you that this isn’t a great outcome. But we have to remember that the US is a foreign country. We tend to think of it as being like us, but it isn’t. It IS a lot more right wing and we just have to accept that. The problem is that it influences what happens to us. For instance, Trump’s anti-mask stance has no doubt inspired anti-maskers in Oz. And Trump’s transactional relationships with other countries have created problems for us. Just having someone moderate and mentally stable in the White House will improve things for us.

I agree, but to me this last sentence highlights how vacuous this has become. This election was IMO, basically a referendum on Trump, and when you cut to the chase, Biden's main platform was "I'm not Trump." How far that country has fallen...........

[PaulP]

One of the more appalling things about this election was Trump’s deliberate attempt to cripple the US Postal Service in order to ensure that all postal votes wouldn’t be counted. He appointed one of his donors to run it, Lewis DeJoy, who set about removing vote dropboxes and dismantling mail distribution machinery. A judge had ordered the USPS to conduct sweeps to locate 300,000 missing postal votes but the USPS failed to do so. It’s a scandal that Trump was able to do this out in the open.

Yes, my son told me about this last night. There's other shenanigans as well.

[dodge]

Heard an interview this morning with a Republican senator (not sure if a current one).  He said how much any sitting Republican is scared stupid of Trump and won't do anything to cross him, as the consequences are too great, citing Mitt Romney as an example.

He then implied that with Trump gone and Biden in, the two parties might be more of a chance to work together a little more constructively.  Everyone can only hope!

This would then lead to the Republicans being able to nominate a more moderate candidate for next election, which may help bring a more unified country.  (Democrats as well!)

I had a zoom with a philanthropic org this morning.  They are certainly Republican, but not necessarily Trump.  There is a lot of uncertainty with Biden and how things are going to pan out.  They may be jumping at shadows with some of their actions, but that is what uncertainty brings.

[Thryleon]

Theres a lot of crap slung at Donald, and people who support him.

As someone who finds this election completely hilarious irrespective of outcome, I find it hilarious that they resort to attacking his personality, and the way he talks (which ironically he draws ire for doing to Biden).

Its very play the man, not the way he played the role.

Either way the only thing I was thinking was likely to occur was a split decision.

What I find interesting is how they have declared Biden a winner in some states where the voting seems to be unfinished?

I.e.  Arizona.  On a map I am looking at it shows 86% reporting (as of about 2:30pm) and Biden has 51% of the vote vs Trumps (this discrepency has increased only recently) and shows Trump at 48%.

Less than 100k votes split the difference, and we still have 15% unaccounted for (if they vote at all).  Declaring a winner, seems to be, crowing early.

To show my bipartisan nature.  the inverse is true in Texas although Trump has a 6% lead there and has been given the win. 

Also, I see Nevada and Georgia as the only states in real dispute.  Nevada has Biden at .6 ahead, so that one is the only real state outstanding, but the aforementioned make up a large portion of seats.

Who knows.  I could have it wrong.  I know nothing about American politics, but I do know that although from the outside looking in a Trump government looks bad, I think there are some things that have been handled way better from a war mongering perspective than others.

[PaulP]

I don't find the election (or American politics in general) even remotely hilarious. They're taking the planet down with them on a number of fronts.

[LP]

I suppose a lot of predictions are based on historical trends and statistical averages, nothing prevents something new happening but the rate of swing is very well known on a per-vote basis, so when they have counted 70% or 80% of votes the trend rarely deviates greatly, at least without some human interference.

Also, ignoring how many have actually voted, the ratio of voting trends tend to be fixed for certain demographics, to see a change we might have to see something really weird happen like 100000 supporters of a particular candidate voted early by mail because this week they were all attending a conference that meant they couldn't be there to vote in person. Ironically, the US is possibly a more likely place for this to occur than many other countries.

[Mav]

Thryleon, if we set the 2 Bushes aside, who were the warmongering Presidents in the post-Vietnam War era?

[ElwoodBlues1]

In shattering news to the nation Kanye West has conceded defeat and said that he wont be the next president of the USA....

[Thryleon]

Thryleon, if we set the 2 Bushes aside, who were the warmongering Presidents in the post-Vietnam War era?

The troops have been going that way for years.  Trump has brokered a peace deal (albeit very flimsy).

Its like comparing apples and oranges (pardon the pun).

[Mav]

I don’t understand your post.