Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

[ElwoodBlues1]

Holman being the sub seemed an odd decision to me. Hes one who has a fair dinkum crack and can use the ball.
I dont understand why Murph and Gibbs would be adverse to being traded. Reports suggest they want to stay.....my question is why?
Murph tried his guts out.....I'll  give him that but his skills are so poor for  a 1st round pick let alone a no 1 pick.
Gibbs has given us 1 good years service but for the most part has polarised us.
Fellas, do the right thing and do yourselves a favour........leave and give us an early pick in the draft.

Hendo and Yarran have screwed us. There trade value has absolutely plummetted.
Touhy, Rowe, Bell, and theres more who dont come to mind should be offloaded too.

Our nucleus is Cripps ( give him captaincy now) Buckley, Docherty, Casboult, Holman. Build around them cos if we're  lucky, they might be young enough to be in our next premiership team.

Fwiw, id prefer Dew as coach over Bolton. I just dont see enough C**t in Bolton to be a senior coach.

Not much "C" in Adam Simpson " or " Luke Beveridge"  either but plenty of flair and innovation...

[Lods]

Don't think so. Quite the opposite I think.
And in any case, if we nail the draft and trading period, nobody will give a crap about tonight's game in 6 mths time

The problem is you have to have a base to build on.
You look at the side and you see the base is made up of Cripps, maybe Kreuzer and a few triers who wouldn't get a game with another side.
Our better players are our elder players and by the time we're good again they will be either gone or in the twilight of their careers.
Just to establish that base will take a couple of draft/trade periods....it's achievable, but not short term

[MosquitoFleet]

You r all looking incorrectly at narrow issues of players

We have a massive cultural problem. ....

[Lods]

You r all looking incorrectly at narrow issues of players

We have a massive cultural problem. ....

Nope.... just a different topic....and something to talk about in another thread.

[Dominator_7]

The problem is you have to have a base to build on.
You look at the side and you see the base is made up of Cripps, maybe Kreuzer and a few triers who wouldn't get a game with another side.
Our better players are our elder players and by the time we're good again they will be either gone or in the twilight of their careers.
Just to establish that base will take a couple of draft/trade periods....it's achievable, but not short term

There is a base.
Cripps, Menzel, Buckley, Levi, Jaksh, Graham, Doc,
Maybe Clem, Hollman, BB, Whiley, Walsh Fields and DVR
Murphy, Kreuz, Everritt and Gibbs are young enough to still be around in 3-4 years.

[bigblue]

Agree...this will be one of many beatings we have had for the year but this game and the next three are different as we position ourselves for the draft/trade period.
I wouldnt be judging the coach and some players on tonight or the nex three weeks...Barker has his instructions IMO and they might not be to everyone's liking.

Nup. I dont buy that.
We're  just that shite. Its as simple as that. We've tanked before and it doesnt work. You can guarantee that if we did tank, the karma Gods will have us choose another dud.

Christ I wish we'd just take the game on! Run with the pill. Take risks up the guts. We're  just playing it safe around the boundary every single time. Its as boring and predictable as batshit. Even in the 1st qrt when briss were getting sone, they were playing the right way but there skills killed em. We kicked 5 straight going around the boundary or from their turnovers. I nearly fell off my chair when Dermie mr "expert comments " said this could get ugly for brisbane.
We were on a roll but were playing safe football. Safe wont get us anywhere.

[bigblue]

Not much "C" in Adam Simpson " or " Luke Beveridge"  either but plenty of flair and innovation...

Simmo, your right. Beverege? I reckon hes got plenty of it in him.

[bigblue]

There is a base.
Cripps, Menzel, Buckley, Levi, Jaksh, Graham, Doc,
Maybe Clem, Hollman, BB, Whiley, Walsh Fields and DVR
Murphy, Kreuz, Everritt and Gibbs are young enough to still be around in 3-4 years.

Wash your mouth out with soap.........Menzel is useless :

[Lods]

There is a base.
Cripps, Menzel, Buckley, Levi, Jaksh, Graham, Doc,
Maybe Clem, Hollman, Walsh Fields and DVR
Murphy, Kreuz, Everritt and Gibbs are young enough to still be around in 3-4 years.

It's probably an optimist/ pessimist difference in our thinking.
I'm a bit pessimistic at the moment

Menzel can't even make this side...the other players you mention may have a bit to offer but in most cases they are either triers with limitations in their games ......or unrealised potential.
It's a guess with these blokes so you can't lock them in.
Cripps is the only one I feel confident in saying "This guy is going to have a long career."

[blue4life]

There is a base.
Cripps, Menzel, Buckley, Levi, Jaksh, Graham, Doc,
Maybe Clem, Hollman, BB, Whiley, Walsh Fields and DVR
Murphy, Kreuz, Everritt and Gibbs are young enough to still be around in 3-4 years.

Cripps, Buckley and Docherty I'll pay and I'd throw in Tuohy, Kreuzer, Murphy, Gibbs and Yarran if he's still at Carlton, but there's not a key position player among the lot of them and it's still only 8 AFL class players from a list of 40 or so.
It's a massive task.