Carlton V North- Post match thread

[mina1]

our players are just weak 1 body size 2stength 3 fitness.The scary part is I have been saying this for many years and nothing changed and our game plan is like under 10s.Lucky watching the game in a bar in Phuket  went back to the pool at the last quarter.

[cookie2]

Or both.
The only problem with large scale surgery to the list is that it's impossible to pick up more than two or three good footballers in any one off season, and in Carlton's case we've repeatedly struggled to do even that.
It will take four or five years to become competitive with the best sides, and that assumes we make all the right decisions in the meanwhile.

Agree, I think it will be a combination of both B4L. The journey with the list will be a long one for sure and will certainly test the club's patience!

[blue4life]

Agree, I think it will be a combination of both B4L. The journey with the list will be a long one for sure and will certainly test the club's patience!

It will test the supporters' patience even more.
It's been the best part of 15 years now, most of us thought that after we recruited Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer and Judd our worst days were behind us yet here we are 6 or 7 years later at rock bottom and without a coach.
I really fear for our future for the first time in 50 years of being a member of the club, I just can't see how we can maintain decent membership and sponsorship levels to ride out another 5 years, many of our young supporters have never known a strong Carlton team.
These are very dark days.

[MosquitoFleet]

It will test the supporters' patience even more.
It's been the best part of 15 years now, most of us thought that after we recruited Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer and Judd our worst days were behind us yet here we are 6 or 7 years later at rock bottom and without a coach.
I really fear for our future for the first time in 50 years of being a member of the club, I just can't see how we can maintain decent membership and sponsorship levels to ride out another 5 years, many of our young supporters have never known a strong Carlton team.
These are very dark days.

thats the point- club sold a lie with all the no 1 drafts picks a flag was coming ...lazy. poor  recruiting, no development, average culture...

as sticks said..."lets all have a drink" C:-)

[cookie2]

That's why the club just has to get the supporters on board with the real truth - it has to be realistic in what promises it makes and what dreams it tries to sell. It's a journey and we must all come to terms with that before we get too preoccupied with the destination and start looking for risky short cuts.

[blue4life]

It's a journey and we must all come to terms with that before we get too preoccupied with the destination and start looking for risky short cuts.

Like sacking coaches?
I agree entirely with your sentiments by the way, but it's only a few years since Sticks was telling there would be two more Premiership Cups in the trophy cabinet by 2016, so I'm not certain that the club hierarchy fully appreciates our plight or what steps we need to take to address it.
One thing I would suggest to them is to go over the draft with a fine tooth comb and put a line through anyone with suspect foot skills.

[IvanAwfulbigone]

This was a "why" game for me.

Why do we play players who are disinterested?
Why aren't our second and third efforts (apart from Kreuzer and Buckley and one or 2 others) any better than my son's under 11 team?
Why have we recruited so many players who can't kick when the name of the game is football?
Why wasn't Harvey's attempted soccer goal which went out of bounds called 'deliberate'?
Why doesn't JB play Hendo down back permanently?
Why are there 2 opposition players to our 1 at so many contests - I mean, WHERE THE HELL IS OUR MISSING PLAYER?
Why doesn't the AFL intervene to stop umpires losing concentration in 'dead' and low key matches?
Why do so many of our support staff look like they're as bewildered as the players?

[laj]

I thought BB was a positive from the game, shrugged off the Kane Lucas double tag. Real potential there.

What an indictment on certain blokes that even the coach sees fit to mention that we've got players that are  just going through the motions. Pity we've got so many injured players.

JB sounded really dispirited, understandably.

Agree that we probably do need fresh faces in all the coaching positions. At this stage Bolton would be my choice, he's coached his own sides to success and has a history of strong achievement.

With our culture club should never says wins aren't important. Gives our blokes a reason not to work hard, which they happily take.

[townsendcalling]

Imagine being Kruezer and Murphy walking off the ground and looking around the rooms at guys who couldn't give a flying.......  If the coach can sense it, the players certainly would.  I dare say Hodge and Lewis would take them behind the shelter shed and explain what commitment is all about, even if you are leaving in 5 weeks. 

Time to sweep. 

[Robblues]

I was just looking though the list , I think there will be many changes through retirements the delistings & the trades already being linked, so can see approx 10 -12 places happening. It's just the quality that we bring that has to change . Imagine if we could add Whiley Jones Johnson to that list , we could do