Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide - Post match celebrations

[cookie2]

Apparently The Duck and schwass were defending Gibbs today so there is some balance.

[ItsOurTime]

Apparently The Duck and schwass were defending Gibbs today so there is some balance.

If he gets done, the club should appeal. Keep this ground swell of attitude which has sprung up from the players going through all levels of the club.

[age]

Usually go to games with friends, they have slowly dropped off over the course of the season, to the point where I went solo on the weekend foe the first time in a while.  Refused to not go whilst we were losing. 

I am glad that I stuck with it cos it was a great game on Saturday.  Only 20 odd K people at the game but atmosphere was amazing.  Fans have their swagger back, and are enjoying what this team is putting out.  Could not sit down in the last quarter cos I was so on edge, SO I stood in front of the Corporate boxes on Lever P.  Was pacing up and down I was that nervous, all the time listening to radio counting down the clock.  People in corporate box must have thought I was mad. 

The emotion after the siren went was amazing.  One of those rare moments in footy.

[rocky]

Bravo boys. Can't believe it. thought they'd have a crack but still go down by 10 goals!!! couldn't get there on Saturday as local club duties so I still haven't seen them win live. Gold Coast at Etihard this week will see me there so I'm hoping they can keep up the intensity.

[MosquitoFleet]

The number of times this has happened to us and no report has occurred makes me more than wonder. A hatchet Job indeed.

well if true, the club has got to get smarter and use its media power to advantage

[PaulP]

If the AFL is serious about the whole "head is sacrosanct" business, then each and every player that lays a tackle like Gibbs must serve time. Perhaps you could argue that in cases like Gibbs, where the head hitting the deck is more likely accidental than not, a reduced suspension is justifiable. Players must understand that to all intents and purposes, the AFL is a modern workplace, and as such a duty of care applies. Players simply must learn to tackle in a way where such incidents don't occur.

[madbluboy]

It's only taken 8 years for Gibbs to lay a tackle. Well done.
— Dom Cassisi (@DomCassisi) June 20, 2015

[cookie2]

If the AFL is serious about the whole "head is sacrosanct" business, then each and every player that lays a tackle like Gibbs must serve time. Perhaps you could argue that in cases like Gibbs, where the head hitting the deck is more likely accidental than not, a reduced suspension is justifiable. Players must understand that to all intents and purposes, the AFL is a modern workplace, and as such a duty of care applies. Players simply must learn to tackle in a way where such incidents don't occur.

Paul, in my past experiences the only way to remove the risk of what happened to Gray is to ban any forceful tackling altogether. If you go in with any kind of forceful impact there will always a danger of the guy being knocked to the ground before he has the chance to brace himself to absorb the impact - that's just the way it is unfortunately. The only way to significantly reduce the risk is to institute some form of standing tackle whereby if the guys forward momentum is stopped he is deemed tackled.

This all needs very careful and thorough and discussion as I think we are in danger of altering the game to the detriment of its spectacle if we rush to react too swiftly to this. All options need to be looked at to protect players from potentially harmful concussion but let's not ruin the game in doing that. Hell, we and the media were only a couple of weeks ago criticising our boys for being too shy in the tackling dept.

[hotspur]

Havnt been around for a while cos we've been so crape. But even had we lost yesterday, it's *that* effort and hardness that we supporters want to see week in and week out. Keep dishing this up on a regular basis and watch us supporters flood back to support you!!
20K @ the G is a dismal effort based only on the crap e've been watching up until now. Keep this style of footy up and 50K plus crowds will be a regular gig

The crowd of  27k of which 24K were Carlton supporters against an interstate team is a fair crowd .We will never get 50k at the G for an interstate team unless it is Sydney,Tiggers played West Toast and there were only 43k and West Toast have a much larger supporter base than Port and both teams are playing well .The roar at the end of the game against Port was equal to a 50k crowd .       

[PaulP]

Paul, in my past experiences the only way to remove the risk of what happened to Gray is to ban any forceful tackling altogether. If you go in with any kind of forceful impact there will always a danger of the guy being knocked to the ground before he has the chance to brace himself to absorb the impact - that's just the way it is unfortunately. The only way to significantly reduce the risk is to institute some form of standing tackle whereby if the guys forward momentum is stopped he is deemed tackled.

This all needs very careful and thorough and discussion as I think we are in danger of altering the game to the detriment of its spectacle if we rush to react too swiftly to this. All options need to be looked at to protect players from potentially harmful concussion but let's not ruin the game in doing that. Hell, we and the media were only a couple of weeks ago criticising our boys for being too shy in the tackling dept.

You make some fair points cookie. It is of course a contact sport, but the contact that does occur,, and the rules and protocols that apply to it, must be seen in an evolutionary context. You can no longer iron someone out, you can no longer drive your shoulders into someone's head with maximum force (see my link to Lethal's article), and so on. We now have both anecdotal and medical evidence that highlights the dangers that comes from excessively forceful contact to the head over a long period of time, and we need to act on it. My enjoyment of the game would not be compromised one iota if the sling tackle was banned. Of course, the implementation of such rules won't be easy, and they won't be to everyone's satisfaction. I see parallels with the spear tackle that was banned in Rugby league many years ago, and rightly so. The RL players have adapted.

I have attached a couple of links, which may only be partially related to the topic at hand, but which I thought were interesting nonetheless.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/af...6686834116

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ju...7339152556

The link to the Jude Bolton article is blocked by a subscription page. If you do o Google search for "Jude Bolton concussion", one of the links near the top should take you to the article.