Round 9: Carlton vs. Sydney Post Game Pain

[LP]

If Tuohy did an Irish Jig after scoring a goal against Goodes, Goodes would label him a racist and ask the AFL to have him banned or fined!

[blue4life]

A 10 goal loss is a 10 goal loss, it's basically a flogging.
The only thing to take out of last night is that we kept plugging away until the last bell but we are so far down on talent it isn't funny.
No key forwards, no key backs and no ruckman won't win many games of football and it will take four to five years to fix even if by some miracle we start to get our drafting and trading strategies right.
Last years draft and trade was a shocker even by our low standards so it's hard to be confident.
As for Goodes I agree with PI2C and a few others, I think a lot of what he cops is because he's put racism out there and told the world he won't stand for it, and good on him I reckon.
Some of the bad karma he gets is just because he doesn't wear the right colours and football supporters are notorious for hating anyone who isn't part of their tribe, but most of it is because of what he stands for.

[PassIt2Carrots]

As for Goodes I agree with PI2C and a few others, I think a lot of what he cops is because he's put racism out there and told the world he won't stand for it, and good on him I reckon.
Some of the bad karma he gets is just because he doesn't wear the right colours and football supporters are notorious for hating anyone who isn't part of their tribe, but most of it is because of what he stands for.

Spot on mate, he cops it because he's made a stand against racism. Disgraceful it is.

[Professer E]

The game showed that we are years behind in developing competitive structures at either end of the ground.  Defence is a team issue, not something based upon individuals.  Our forward line is similar and not a coherent unit.  IMO this is a reason why a certain person is no longer at the club.

Considering the fact he was isolated one out and with the swine's delivery I thought that Rowe did an excellent job.    Rowe at least halved the contests on a player who has consistently flogged us.  Yes he is a limited footballer, but we have no other options in defence.  To his credit he beat Buddy in the “initial” or aerial contests… the problem then came where Buddy did his usual go-left-side-take hand pass- shot on goal flanker routine… so where the hell where the support players – Touhy and Walker – that are supposed to screen the contest and prevent scoring opportunities from the secondary contest?  Non existent - a classic example of a lack of team defence.

Once matched up more appropriately I thought White did a decent job on Tippett – the quintessential flat track bully.  Another golden child umpire’s favourite, Tippet pushes at every aerial contest, is immune to HTB and gets a lot of lee way.  White showed him up to be a weak player… Delivery like last night and he did F-all.

Touhy must be either played further up the ground or dropped.  Has no idea about positioning himself in defence.  He must be used in a role that optimises his skill set.

Walker runs as if he has concrete legs – the injuries have caught up with him and he is, unfortunately, mentally and physically shot.  We can’t carry him at senior level any longer.

Our forward line is a mess and a big part of why we play so ineffectively.  Forwards are supposed to be like traffic cops, and direct the mids where to kick the ball, with the bomb saved for “I’m under pressure” occasions.  Jones, is in football terms, brainless and he doesn't draw the mids to kick to good locations.  The only hope for him now is to be played at CHB and hope that he gets drawn to the ball by a decent forward.  Henderson has the footy smarts and nous to play forward but lacks the body strength to perform the role.  He also gets shamelessly mauled in every contest.  Levi’s long shot on goal was a ripper and he is clearly improving in that regard.

I thought Buckley’s opportunist goal was something we haven’t seen this year (beat defence for pace and nous) and I would like to continue to see him played in a more attacking role for the rest of the year.  But he must get stronger or he has no future.

Everitt worries me at times but as EB pointed out, he is handy and can play many roles.  Menzel really worries me... he can't play injured and he isn't working hard enough.

[LP]

Touhy must be either played further up the ground or dropped.  Has no idea about positioning himself in defence.  He must be used in a role that optimises his skill set.

Tuohy had his free thinking coached out of him!

The whole side has lost the ability to act instinctively, they have been condemned by the Malthouse regime to play out their careers full of doubt, fear and indecision. They may never recover, they are now a bunch of mindless automatons!

[Raydan]

From what I'm lead to believe it was a modified version of a dance that was done before tribes went into battle. If that was the case, do it before the game. Don't do it after a goal at the Carlton supporters when your side is 8 goals up.

American sport penalizes over the top celebrations after a score in both the NBA and NFL, because of its potential to to inflame the opposition. Woulg have Goodes done that last week against Hawthorn it that was the indigenous round? What would have been the response of the Hawthorn team? I bet it would have been a near all in.

There was not the level of distaste shown towards Long or Winmar when they spoke out against their treatment at a time of less public awareness. Carlton people booed Long because he was a great player who seemed to tear us a new one everytime he played us.

It has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with Goodes being a flog.

[PaulP]

Just listened to Barker's presser - thought he was ok to be honest.

Whilst a little repetitive (possibly in response to the questions he was asked, which always seem inaudible on my computer), I thought his approach was good. No antagonism, short, succinct answers, managed to give answers that sounded like answers without revealing much, no blaming players etc. Didn't look uncomfortable to me.

Pretty good first effort.

[PassIt2Carrots]

From what I'm lead to believe it was a modified version of a dance that was done before tribes went into battle. If that was the case, do it before the game. Don't do it after a goal at the Carlton supporters when your side is 8 goals up.

American sport penalizes over the top celebrations after a score in both the NBA and NFL, because of its potential to to inflame the opposition. Woulg have Goodes done that last week against Hawthorn it that was the indigenous round? What would have been the response of the Hawthorn team? I bet it would have been a near all in.

There was not the level of distaste shown towards Long or Winmar when they spoke out against their treatment at a time of less public awareness. Carlton people booed Long because he was a great player who seemed to tear us a new one everytime he played us.

It has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with Goodes being a flog.

Bulldust, and just because C7 says it was towards the Carlton section doesn't mean it was, if you look at the shot from behind him there were Sydney fans directly in front of him.

[Raydan]

Then Cameras must go around corners then, because the angle that Fox showed from behind had him going right at a number people in blue that looked a whole lot like Carlton supporters to me.

It was another look at me action from Goodes. It's the same reason that Akermanis was booed.

[LP]

Haters will hate, they see what they want to see, Goodes is a hater!