Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game)

[Baggers]

Been thinking about our terrible efforts and many suggest it's a Coach has lost the players issue...

Maybe the 'rift' is between players? And it spreads as people takes sides....?

...was a thought that occurred to me also the other day, maybe many blokes don't agree with Murph as Captain? Maybe they're not behind the Skipper. Reckon there might just be something in this; that there is disharmony in the ranks!

[PassIt2Carrots]

Didn't the players vote Murph in?

[ItsOurTime]

Didn't the players vote Murph in?

They did, the selection needed the blessing of those higher up though.

[DontgoJuddy]

They did, the selection needed the blessing of those higher up though.

I dont think the players have an issue with Murphy. I think they have an issue with the coach, that message was delivered to the football public Friday night.  If it wasnt the case, then I would have expected to see the leaders at least front up to the presser after the game with MM and make the statement "MM is not going in there alone tonight, we will take the heat for this alongside MM". Its what I would have done. Instead, they drank their Powerade, did some stretches, fixed their hair and collected a pay cheque on the way home.

[shadesy]

When a team gets a run on, the players start playing for themselves.

I remember watching Ed Curnow Blanket a man next to a Player with a free kick, while two Collingwood players ran forward of the ball unopposed. It was like... "I am on this guy".

[Brettie]

When a team gets a run on, the players start playing for themselves.

I remember watching Ed Curnow Blanket a man next to a Player with a free kick, while two Collingwood players ran forward of the ball unopposed. It was like... "I am on this guy".

Hit. Nail. Head.

[Lods]

When a team gets a run on, the players start playing for themselves.

This has been going on for more than 10 years 

[cimm1979]

...was a thought that occurred to me also the other day, maybe many blokes don't agree with Murph as Captain? Maybe they're not behind the Skipper. Reckon there might just be something in this; that there is disharmony in the ranks!

Yeah, because it couldn't be Mick. :

FWIW, I don't think this bunch has ever been tight.

Clearly remember Walker and Simmo bagging Armfield (not to his face) at a training session at the WACA.
There's rarely been a vigorous response to opposition aggression.
The goal celebrations are almost non-existent.

If anything it's got worse in recent years.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Yeah, because it couldn't be Mick. :

FWIW, I don't think this bunch has ever been tight.

Clearly remember Walker and Simmo bagging Armfield (not to his face) at a training session at the WACA.
There's rarely been a vigorous response to opposition aggression.
The goal celebrations are almost non-existent.

If anything it's got worse in recent years.

Yep if you were in the trenches with this lot you would be on your own......

[cookie2]

When a team gets a run on, the players start playing for themselves.

I remember watching Ed Curnow Blanket a man next to a Player with a free kick, while two Collingwood players ran forward of the ball unopposed. It was like... "I am on this guy".

There must be or has been someone or something at the club during the tenure of these guys that has caused them to be like this? It would be highly unlikely for ALL or even many of them to have this trait built in surely? In other words, it's more likely to be something they've learned at the club over years. What could be the common denominators?
Culture (onfield/off field)  inherited by the group from a previous time?
Coaching - been a problem, by degree, under multiple coaches?
Prolonged lack of effective leadership (lack of) - like growing up without a father can be detrimental?
Recruitment selection - bad psych profiling?
All of the above?
I give up, but maybe someone closer to the club could answer?