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[Raydan]

I repeat, i don't see this list as any better than ours.....and they were missing Liba too. Put Walker up forward - show some ticker and intensity - the results will follow.

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Difference is the age/talent bracket. They had done their apprenticeship, worked 3-5 years at the bottom and were ready to flourish. They had pace and skill around the ball, great ball movement off half back, they had targets up forward and a whole team that works both ways - Tom Boyd aside. We don't have that yet.

We have traded away 4 first 18 players, plus through retirements and delistings let go 11 more. We are talent poor, and not quick around the ground. We have potential but that is all at the moment, for example Graham, we would trade him in a heartbeat for any of the Doggies mids, yet he will start for us this season. In fact Cripps aside we would trade any of our mids for theirs.