(02-04-2021, 03:58 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Simple stuff. The initial modelling was done on every covid positive needing ECMO or an ICU admission. That meant that people who didnt get treatment were certainties to die from it. Thats why we locked down to prevent the spread. Then we got case numbers in the thousands, and tens of thousands with the net result of people who were already immuno compromised really the only ones that led to really adverse outcomes (note this is not true of everyone, but we are likely to take the same approach with administering a vaccine for a net break even here). the rest have become sick and are getting on with their lives with some ongoing symptoms that are not life threatening (for now as far as we know). Now I don't want to diminish the risks associated with COVID and i do think we should do what is in our power to prevent these people becoming unwell, but not via injecting everyone with a jab that is both costly and developed so quickly that I am skeptical about it. I am not an anti vaxer, and you can shut down that pete evans crap right now.Yes, the "life threatening" part is interesting, is that what it takes for an illness to be treated seriously?
A lot of people talk about the fiscal and mental health effects of dealing with COVID lockdowns, what mental health or fiscal effects of illness induced sterility, partial paralysis or paraplegia, anosmia, myopia and the growing list of neurological disorders?
In the UK after millions and millions of cases, the statistical numbers relating to the widespread long term effects are concerning enough for me to say vaccines are worth it. The report is about 10% of cases suffer significant long term issues like those listed above, add to that we now have burgeoning reports of late fatalities from secondary admissions to hospital months and months after the initial hospitalisation. Those figures coming out of millions of cases would be pretty reliable numbers. Doesn't that count for anything?
I wonder if the COVID deniers would have been so quick to release their kids to a mild infection, if they knew there was a risk of little Jimmy or Jill becoming sterile. Of course we do not know the long term outcome, but is it worth the risk? Perhaps our old mate Pete can host a COVID party! :o
If Trump hadn't been in power and politically smashing the CDC or NIH, we'd have reliable numbers from the US as well by now, the debate would be dead and buried(bad choice of words).
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