Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017?

[dodge]

We were bottom 5 last year - could have won a couple more and could have lost a couple we won.

The only way that I can see of doing a where do you think we will finish is by doing a blind tipping comp now.  This way you can set rules and stick to them (eg Freo is going to win every home game except one of the derbys) (be interesting to know how the media types do it)

When this is done, you get the ladder and you can justify why you think Carlton finish where they do - if we go backwards (eg bottom two), who is going past us.  If we finish say, 11th, who do we overtake.

Having said that, I hope that endeavour is there for the whole year.  If it is, there is enough good experience and skilled youngsters to helps us win a few, and a bit of confidence can do a lot.  While I think we'll finish bottom four, it would be great to be better than last year, with another win or two and finish bottom 8.

[kruddler]

To put it simply, i was shocked that so many people have agreed with me about this year being a long one.

Many vocal posters argued black and blue that i was being negative. Seems that perhaps they were being overly positive.


Question to the 11 people who voted 9-12.
Have you changed your mind after last nights effort?

[Lods]

To put it simply, i was shocked that so many people have agreed with me about this year being a long one.

Many vocal posters argued black and blue that i was being negative. Seems that perhaps they were being overly positive.


Question to the 11 people who voted 9-12.
Have you changed your mind after last nights effort?

Nope
Ask me again after Round five or six

[Gointocarlton]

To put it simply, i was shocked that so many people have agreed with me about this year being a long one.

Many vocal posters argued black and blue that i was being negative. Seems that perhaps they were being overly positive.


Question to the 11 people who voted 9-12.
Have you changed your mind after last nights effort?

No (I think I voted 9-12  ???)

[bratblue]

To put it simply, i was shocked that so many people have agreed with me about this year being a long one.

Many vocal posters argued black and blue that i was being negative. Seems that perhaps they were being overly positive.


Question to the 11 people who voted 9-12.
Have you changed your mind after last nights effort?

Other way around, you agree with them.

[kruddler]

Other way around, you agree with them.

When i first floated the idea many moons ago, i was han solo. Everybody was against me.

Then since the first ball was kicked in anger, it seems many people jumped ship very quickly and started speaking from the same hymn book as me.

Now it seems that people can't jump off quick enough.

I'm happy that the 9-12 group are sticking to their guns. I actually wished more people who thought we'd 'go ok' didn't stand by that, and instead are being all doom and gloom.

[Lods]

You can't write a season off after one game.
Life's too short...and I'm running out of seasons

[Thryleon]

When i first floated the idea many moons ago, i was han solo. Everybody was against me.

Then since the first ball was kicked in anger, it seems many people jumped ship very quickly and started speaking from the same hymn book as me.

Now it seems that people can't jump off quick enough.

I'm happy that the 9-12 group are sticking to their guns. I actually wished more people who thought we'd 'go ok' didn't stand by that, and instead are being all doom and gloom.

Na, you weren't alone.

I was in agreement which is why I was thinking that in spite of a big loss last night was encouraging.

A good side would have well and truly belted us.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Na, you weren't alone.

I was in agreement which is why I was thinking that in spite of a big loss last night was encouraging.

A good side would have well and truly belted us.

x2..Plenty of folk think/thought we will finish well down the ladder and I agree we would have been smashed badly if we had played a really good team.

[Lods]

Here's my thinking...There's actually two components to it.

Firstly.....

Our 2017 list is an improvement on our 2016 list...(anyone think differently?).
The only way we go backwards in terms of ladder position/ games won is....

1)Teams below us improve at a greater rate (possible)
2) We get hit by a dreadful injury run (also possible)

My estimate of (9-12) of is a gamble that neither of these two things will happen.

Now the second component... and this is probably more important.

I think a lower finish will do a great deal of damage to our rebuild and confidence.
In short...we can't afford to drop off.

You've seen the first evidence of it already after just a few practice games and a first round loss.
Media were pretty strongly behind Bolton when he was first appointed...now we're getting a few backhanders....watch the buggers stick the knives in if it goes completely pear shaped.

Some supporters have already written the season off.
List management, team selections, skill levels and match day coaching are all coming under scrutiny...the criticisms aren't real strong at the moment but fast forward to say round 5, and if our  scoreline reads 0-5 that criticism will have grown.

I know what's trying to be achieved so I'll hit round 22 still on board with the rebuild whatever the result..as will all those preaching patience.


My concern though is that with a bottom 3 finish we can probably hold our "we're on board" meetings in a much smaller venue.