2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond

[PaulP]

Martin scared the crap our of our blokes all night, we have serious issues regarding the lack of physicality in the team, even Cascoult didnt want to mix it with Martin......what made it worse is that even a hacker like Vlastuin was pushing our blokes around...
Agree on the kids, they all showed something....Marchbank was very good and he will learn from the turnovers.....Pickett is class, just needs some better players around him to supply more footy to him...

Wouldnt mind a few more Matty Wrights in the team...can lay a tackle, kicks straight and gives you something every week.....

Yes, agree, especially on Wirght. Quickly becoming one of my faves.

[laj]

Baggers wrote :
Think you'll find that at the end of this year, with a lot more salary space, we'll get better experienced boys.

Let's hope so, the only experienced player who has worked out for us in the last decade has been Judd.
You make a very good point, Carlton is just not seen as a desirable destination for better class 100+ game players and that will probably remain the case until we show some genuine improvement.
Meanwhile we have to trust in youngsters, it's much more risky than established talent and our record at identifying quality kids leaves a lot to be desired.

Think we have a few nice young ones coming through. Thought there were a number of good efforts individually. Functioning as a team, well that's a different issue. Structure could've been better. Too tall in defence to start with. We just lacked run coming out and lacked run through the midfield. Our forward line of paper looks ok with Weitering, SOJ, Pickett, SPS, Wright and to a lesser extent Levi but if we can't get it in quickly enough to get one on ones then any forward line will look bad. We seem to lack the ability to balance both attack and defence. Tiges just rebounded way too easily through the corridor and had way too many one on one's because of it. That slaughtered us.

No need  to play White or Thomas. Get some run in there. With Weitering forward we still need Rowe and with our ruck stocks we still need Levi.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Think we have a few nice young ones coming through. Thought there were a number of good efforts individually. Functioning as a team, well that's a different issue. Structure could've been better. Too tall in defence to start with. We just lacked run coming out and lacked run through the midfield. Our forward line of paper looks ok with Weitering, SOJ, Pickett, SPS, Wright and to a lesser extent Levi but if we can't get it in quickly enough to get one on ones then any forward line will look bad. We seem to lack the ability to balance both attack and defence. Tiges just rebounded way too easily through the corridor and had way too many one on one's because of it. That slaughtered us.

No need  to play White or Thomas. Get some run in there. With Weitering forward we still need Rowe and with our ruck stocks we still need Levi.

Not sure why we give the ball to White coming off the half back line...turns it over every time he kicks on the run.....we miss Byrne and I'd be hoping Sheehan can play
this week and give us some reliable ball use off half back...

[flyboy77]

Not sure why we give the ball to White coming off the half back line...turns it over every time he kicks on the run.....we miss Byrne and I'd be hoping Sheehan can play
this week and give us some reliable ball use off half back...

Agreed EB1, it's odd that.

[blue4life]

No need  to play White or Thomas. Get some run in there. With Weitering forward we still need Rowe and with our ruck stocks we still need Levi.

I  think White needs to spend the rest of his time at Carlton in the Northern Blues, but I think Thomas can still give us something.
Levi can join White in the VFL as far as I'm concerned, along with Jones, players like those won't take us anywhere.

[cookie2]

Green shoots:
- Kreuz looked great
- Picket and SPS look like they ll give the side the zip it needs. They ve got bags oif tricks and pace to burn, and the tackling, WOW!
- Marchbank, Macredie and Plowman will be the cornerstone of our backline for the next 10 years
- Weiters up forward worked
- Young SOS impressed and could ve ended up with 4

Weeds:
- Until such time as this side moves past Thomas, White, Casboult and Sam Rowe,, we will never be a decent outfit. They are all dead set liabilities. I mean, if people are happy for Rowe and White to gift wrap the opposition 4-5 goals every week just because they 'try', then we really are up poo creek.
- Murphy and Gibbs will never be what we want them to be. They're 'cherry on top' midfielders, not the hardworking, down and dirty types they need to be.
- Skills still terrible. Cant remember the last time we were a decent side skills wise.

Good wrap up D7. Good reflection of last night and our current situation IMO.

[mateinone]

Tell me you're kidding. Any coach, commentator or anyone with any knowledge of the game knows kids need bigger bodies out there for leadership, direction and thee take more of the physical heat. Even the two new sides. GC and GWS, got big bodies in. Rebuilds do need some experience and big bodies. Key is having the right ones.

I am absolutely not kidding. If you want to be competitive right away, yeah that is true, but what do you think is going to happen, that other clubs are going to go around knocking our player out cold and getting suspended all over the place? No it is far more likely that the bigger bodied players out of the younger brigade will stand up and be men and lead their team mates.

The physical heat is rubbish also, Do you think a Jesse Hogan really gets much cut out? No, he is good enough to be elite so he gets that physicality against him and rightly so.

I openly say it goes against all convention, but I don't believe it is a requirement, rather an easily quoted statement.
I believe that GWS improvement come through their young players getting toward that 30-50 game mark where you start to feel confident you belong at this level much more than from the have bigger bodied players, those 4-5 players are just spread out. I think it is a long held belief that is wrong.

Now I don't think a group of 19 year olds will go about winning many games of football, no matter how talented, but I think a group of Under 23s can develop together without any older players.

And in an ideal mix (as I stated last transfer period), I would in fact bring in a few senior players anyway, but I would be bringing in 23-25 year old guns as I got rid of older.

I don't care how incredulous the statement sounds, I honestly believe our club would be better ditching all senior let's say 25+ players (except maybe Murphy, Gibbs, Simmo and Kreuzer and we should be replacing those guys also as soon as possible).

I don't think our results would actually be much worse I think our improvement would be much better and I think we would be better placed for next year. I know I would enjoy the football a lot more seeing we had drawn a clear path to success rather than the fluffing about the club seems to be doing the last 15 years.

[Dominator_7]

I don't care how incredulous the statement sounds, I honestly believe our club would be better ditching all senior let's say 25+ players (except maybe Murphy, Gibbs, Simmo and Kreuzer and we should be replacing those guys also as soon as possible).

Agree 100% with this.
Am happy to put up with mistakes from kids who are inexperienced and are still learning the caper.
The same old senior duds making the same old costly mistakes year in year out though ?.. Cmon!!! Enough is enough with that.

[blue4life]

I openly say it goes against all convention, but I don't believe it is a requirement, rather an easily quoted statement.

I think you'll find that the great majority of Premiership teams have at least a couple of 150+ game players.

[mateinone]

I think you'll find that the great majority of Premiership teams have at least a couple of 150+ game players.

They do and I said I would bring probably a couple of top line 23-25 year olds also.
But players are harder, faster stronger at a younger age than ever before and not only that, very few teams have ever played with no 150+ game players, so premiership teams will have all met this criteria. It doesn't make it a necessary ingredient though.

If 99% of all teams have had a couple or more 150+ game players, then you have nothing to compare it against.

As I said, it goes against conventional 'wisdom', but it doesn't mean it wouldn't be the best path.