2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond

[blue4life]

Baggers wrote:
Just look what happened with GWS. It wasn't until they brought in some strong, experienced and talented older players that there young talented brigade began to understand direction/discipline.

Ward, Griffin, Shaw and Mumford stack up pretty well against Wright, Kerridge, Jones and Smedts.

[Baggers]

Nonetheless, on form, Thomas, White and Armfield can readily be swapped for Harry McKay, Palmer and Graham/Sheehan.

We must remember it's only r1.

However, on yesterday's NBs form, Harry, Rhys and Nick should all be in consideration for promotion. Seems Gus is still being managed re game time so might be a few weeks away yet.

[Baggers]

Baggers wrote:
Just look what happened with GWS. It wasn't until they brought in some strong, experienced and talented older players that there young talented brigade began to understand direction/discipline.

Ward, Griffin, Shaw and Mumford stack up pretty well against Wright, Kerridge, Jones and Smedts.

Think you'll find that at the end of this year, with a lot more salary space, we'll get better experienced boys. The hard thing for us as opposed to GWS is convincing serious experienced talent to actually come to us! GWS was seen as a real premiership contender based on talent.

[flyboy77]

Thought the young blokes - on the whole - looked very good.

Sure, Marchbank made a few blunders but he was mightily under the pump all night.

Macreadie looked like he belonged ditto Pickett (should have had a run in the guts imo), SPS, SOJ, Plowman.

Charlie C. the only one who looked 'lost'. Another who could have been used in the middle or even down back to get him involved in the game.

Surprised more effort (any?) wasn't made to shut down Martin - couldn't even tell who was manning him most of the night. That is inexcusable imo.

[flyboy77]

We should also note that despite conceding 83 points in H1 we were on the cusp of getting back into the game in Q3.

Which is remarkable in itself.

[PaulP]

Not sure how precise, deliberate and purposeful the Hawks looked after their superdraft in 2004, when they finished 14 out of 16 in 2005 and 11 out of 16 in 2006. We tend to forget that Brisbane had exceptionally lean years before the halcyon days, as did Hawthorn, as did Geelong etc etc etc. 

Ride the bumps and stay resilient!!

Yes, no doubt that's true. But I was referring to a much later stage of the Hawks evolution, the one with which Bolts would be intimately acquainted. He wasn't there in the early 2000's.

But I take your point.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Thought the young blokes - on the whole - looked very good.

Sure, Marchbank made a few blunders but he was mightily under the pump all night.

Macreadie looked like he belonged ditto Pickett (should have had a run in the guts imo), SPS, SOJ, Plowman.

Charlie C. the only one who looked 'lost'. Another who could have been used in the middle or even down back to get him involved in the game.

Surprised more effort (any?) wasn't made to shut down Martin - couldn't even tell who was manning him most of the night. That is inexcusable imo.

Martin scared the crap our of our blokes all night, we have serious issues regarding the lack of physicality in the team, even Cascoult didnt want to mix it with Martin......what made it worse is that even a hacker like Vlastuin was pushing our blokes around...
Agree on the kids, they all showed something....Marchbank was very good and he will learn from the turnovers.....Pickett is class, just needs some better players around him to supply more footy to him...

Wouldnt mind a few more Matty Wrights in the team...can lay a tackle, kicks straight and gives you something every week.....

[blue4life]

Baggers wrote :
Think you'll find that at the end of this year, with a lot more salary space, we'll get better experienced boys.

Let's hope so, the only experienced player who has worked out for us in the last decade has been Judd.
You make a very good point, Carlton is just not seen as a desirable destination for better class 100+ game players and that will probably remain the case until we show some genuine improvement.
Meanwhile we have to trust in youngsters, it's much more risky than established talent and our record at identifying quality kids leaves a lot to be desired.

[laj]

I completely dismiss the notion that you need bigger older bodies in there.

Tell me you're kidding. Any coach, commentator or anyone with any knowledge of the game knows kids need bigger bodies out there for leadership, direction and thee take more of the physical heat. Even the two new sides. GC and GWS, got big bodies in. Rebuilds do need some experience and big bodies. Key is having the right ones.

[shadesy]

I'm out. Enjoy your miserable lives.