AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

[Gointocarlton]

Would have made quite a difference  win or lose. Some pace and run from blokes 100% fit would not have seen a 60 to nil start. We had blokes underdone and half fit that, for that reason, couldn't get into the game when it was hot. Fit blokes make a big difference. You have been following footy long enough to know that, surely.

Wouldn't have made one iota of difference who was out there when your leaders dish up the tripe they did in the first 55 mins. You trying to tell me Bins and Lord would have made a difference in that, turn it up mate. That rubbish had zero to do with fitness, is was just piss poor attitude and a lack of ruthlessness. The starting of TDK on the bench was a disaster.

[laj]

Not if we start with the pissweak intensity we started with last night.

A few different blokes might have a different intensity, win or lose. At least they'd be fit enough to compete when the game was hot. Would not have been a 60-0 start.

There's a few on here who defended the team selection and still trying too. Hate to say it, it was a huge error. Hawthorn showed what youngsters can do in a final.

[Gointocarlton]

A few different blokes might have a different intensity, win or lose. At least they'd be fit enough to compete when the game was hot. Would not have been a 60-0 start.

There's a few on here who defended the team selection and still trying too. Hate to say it, it was a huge error. Hawthorn showed what youngsters can do in a final.

Hawthorn have had form, we have not.

[Thryleon]

So lets take out the worst -Williams, Durdin, Motlop and Ollie Hollands.

Substitute them with Lord, Moir, Binns and Cincotta.

Do we win?

Maybe not all of them, and put binns in for durdin, cincotta for motlop and we swing the magnets differently. 

A bigger change might have been tdk for dochert imho who whilst not rated poorly his first half was as bad as I've seen from him.  The pace and pressure too hot, his disposals all over the place.

Would it have changed the result? Difficult to determine.  I'd like to get some angry pills into some of our boys. They seem to play without them and I think we could use some.

[Thryleon]

Maybe our mistake wasn't so much not playing some of these youngsters last night....but not giving them more game time through the year.
The Hawthorn youngsters have been given lots of opportunities through the season...often against tougher opposition than  Lord (albeit only half a year) , Moir and Binns have experienced.

The Hawthorn mob are growing together and are ready to take on the challenge of finals.

Binns should really have a lot more than 3 games (one as sub) already.
Others like Lemmey should have at least been blooded.

The kids settled OK in the final couple of H&A games but finals are different.
We'll never know how they would have gone now, but it was probably as big a risk as playing underdone players...and the result may not have been much different.

Yep.  I think I may have written it here a few times, but when it became obvious some of the senior players weren't performing our inability to put faith in any of the kids cost us dearly.  That being said not many of them showed the requisite form to demand selection which was another problem.

Ultimately we ran out of fit bodies.  The season fell away as much by list management decisions last year as it did this year.  Sure dow and fisher needed to go to play seniors but they would have made a much bigger difference across the season than any of the kids and might have been easier to take into a final like yesterday.

What TV wouldn't have shown was how challenging the conditions were.  There were breezes that popped up at times through the games that were very strong and much like gusts.  It's why the goal kicking was a variable. The ball would move 10 metres if it kicked up and the kick was a bit of a floater.

We had 24 inside fifties on the scoreboard in the first half last night to return 2.1.

The smalls played their putrid part.  Durdin and motlop gave us doughnuts.  Orazio works a but differently to the others.  He isn't a small forward solely and you can see him organising things and getting people to take up different spots.  When the game is hot like that some smarter choices need to be made.  Walsh was on the boundary line in the latter stages of the match.  I think it was a 5 goal margin at that stage but he ended up with the footy near the boundary and instead of wearing contact and taking it out for a stoppage tried to find a handball around his oncoming opponent and go forward.  The handball went out and it was deemed insufficient intent.  That's what a lack of fitness does.  You don't wear the contact and make a poor call.  The insufficient intent free was a mark and goal to Brisbane to make it a 40 point margin again. 

That sort of thing happened alot last night.  It's not pressure, it's a result of the mid year holding the ball rule change and fitness. That's the one that makes me wonder if the rule interpretation for holding the ball did as much to change our squads mindset as anything else.  Wear the contact.  Now it's riskier.

[Macca37]

This season, along with past seasons, just re-enforces the sad fact that, irrespective of having a full list or injury ravaged list to select from, our players do not have the mental capacity to be switched on for four quarters.

Until this is dealt with we will be stuck with our version of the "Colliwobbles".

[kruddler]

Do you really believe those changes would have made the difference in what was a smacking before our opposition clearly took the foot off our throat with nothing to gain. Its possible those changes see us lose by even more with the kids being scarred by a 15- 20 goal loss? Just because we will never know doesn't imply they are correct selections. The club needed to risk all to have any chance and when that fails of course you can argue what if they did this or that but the reality is we entered the finals in poor health and regardless who we picked as sub or at MC in this game we were cooked before the ball was bounced.

We need to be very active in the offseason and make a few ballsy decisions to improve on this year

The what if game works both ways.

If every man and his dog can see it before it happens then perhaps it's worth looking into.

Whether or not is the difference e between winning and losing is irrelevant.
It was an error and an error we need to analyse to ensure it doesn't happen again.
Perhaps if we ignore it and make the same error next time it WILL be the difference.
Let's not make the same mistake twice.

[LP]

Walsh was on the boundary line in the latter stages of the match.

You are identifying an effect not a cause.

Focus on the reason why Walsh had almost 10km up 5 min into the 3rd-Qtr, that's a whole game of running for most players, and why Zorko was top of the pops in the first half.

[Thryleon]

You are identifying an effect not a cause.

Focus on the reason why Walsh had almost 10km up 5 min into the 3rd-Qtr, that's a whole game of running for most players, and why Zorko was top of the pops in the first half.

No it's a decision made at one moment.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Wear the contact, take it out of bounds. 

These are weak spots that need to be highlighted.  He had minimal options and made the wrong decision.  Taking it out was the better option if he was happy to wear the contact. 

[LP]

If every man and his dog can see it before it happens then perhaps it's worth looking into.

The assertion people saw this coming is bullsh1t, nobody saw the once in a 50 year event coming, we were 180 seconds away from something that's never happened before in the history of VFL/AFL and nobody predicted it.