AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

[LP]

After banishing the thought of a Pitto /  TDK combo halfway through the season, "the experts" want them in stone cold as a duo functioning in perfect harmony in a final.

My suggestion to fans, find some better "experts"!

[Professer E]

Another bloke we simply have to move on from is Williams.  Voss won't drop this clown, who other than some kind of forward  role can't play on ball and is the worst defender in the AFL.  We dropped effective players to play this passenger - AGAIN.

[tex]

Another bloke we simply have to move on from is Williams.  Voss won't drop this clown, who other than some kind of forward  role can't play on ball and is the worst defender in the AFL.  We dropped effective players to play this passenger - AGAIN.

Amazing he gets paid $800k pa.
4th highest behind Cripps, Walsh, Weiters

[madbluboy]

After banishing the thought of a Pitto /  TDK combo halfway through the season, "the experts" want them in stone cold as a duo functioning in perfect harmony in a final.

My suggestion to fans, find some better "experts"!

We are better with just TDK. That debate is over.

[kruddler]

After banishing the thought of a Pitto /  TDK combo halfway through the season, "the experts" want them in stone cold as a duo functioning in perfect harmony in a final.

My suggestion to fans, find some better "experts"!

You are starting to make me think you have some serious mental issues so I shouldn't go too hard on you.

This post shows you have zero idea about what you've been arguing against for years.

[tonyo]

After the last 6 weeks of the season, we had little reason to believe we could win a final.  In all honestly, we barely deserved to be there.

What I do know is that, as per Einstein, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.  We talk about 'rolling the dice'. all we did as go back to the same old same old, only this time more underdone.

So there has to be some significant change or the window will close even faster than it already is.

Fact is, our system just does not develop players the way it should, so our young ones coming in are not prepared for senior footy.  Hence, we keep picking the same old names (even if they are carrying injuries) and wonder why yet another season has gone down the gurgler.  

We need a match committee that is prepared to try something different, and a reserves structure that gets the young ones ready.  

I watch the Hawthorn youngsters running around and their success stems from the fact that they were backed in by their coaching staff even when they were 0-5 at the start of the year, and they are now rolling on youthful enthusiasm.  We give our young ones 1 or 2 games, then drop them.  

Moir, Lord certainly deserved to be playing last night, and Cincotta being dropped was abysmal .  I can think of 6 or 7 players who got a game last night who let the jumper down in a huge way.

When you lose an elimination final by the 10-minute mark of the second quarter, big changes are needed.

[pinot]

Amazing he gets paid $800k pa.
4th highest behind Cripps, Walsh, Weiters

Have to move him on

[Baggers]

As I said pregame....
Cincotta kicks as many goals as our small forwards (when played forward, even defensively) but he can be played elsewhere as well.
Rotate him through the middle. Put him down back.
We lacked versatility from our small forwards and it hamstrung us.

And it really is no more complicated than that. And a few of us were adamant on just that, pre game.

It's one of those occasions when stats tell a story. We failed badly on tackles and efficiency inside 50. We had the same number of inside 50s as Brisvegas. Most other stats were competitive.

Most of knew, not 'thought' or had a hunch, that Motlop and Durdin did not have good form going into the game. Similar was Fantasia. We knew that Cinc was the perfect match-up for Zorko. Who tore us a new one and launched so many attacks from defense, especially early when the game is on the line? Zorko. He played with our small forwards... the out-of-form non-hackers.

When your forward line is dysfunctional, especially early, you just don't get scoreboard pressure... and with the scoreboard not ticking over the entire side gets no reward for effort... dopamine drained. Motivation sapped.

You never take low performing players into a game, let alone a final. Conversely, you bet on blokes with good form, regardless of age, experience or reputation.

[Lods]

.....Fact is, our system just does not develop players the way it should, so our young ones coming in are not prepared for senior footy.  Hence, we keep picking the same old names (even if they are carrying injuries) and wonder why yet another season has gone down the gurgler. 

We need a match committee that is prepared to try something different, and a reserves structure that gets the young ones ready. 

I watch the Hawthorn youngsters running around and their success stems from the fact that they were backed in by their coaching staff even when they were 0-5 at the start of the year, and they are now rolling on youthful enthusiasm.  We give our young ones 1 or 2 games, then drop them. 

Moir, Lord certainly deserved to be playing last night, and Cincotta being dropped was abysmal .  I can think of 6 or 7 players who got a game last night who let the jumper down in a huge way.

When you lose an elimination final by the 10-minute mark of the second quarter, big changes are needed.

Maybe our mistake wasn't so much not playing some of these youngsters last night....but not giving them more game time through the year.
The Hawthorn youngsters have been given lots of opportunities through the season...often against tougher opposition than  Lord (albeit only half a year) , Moir and Binns have experienced.

The Hawthorn mob are growing together and are ready to take on the challenge of finals.

Binns should really have a lot more than 3 games (one as sub) already.
Others like Lemmey should have at least been blooded.

The kids settled OK in the final couple of H&A games but finals are different.
We'll never know how they would have gone now, but it was probably as big a risk as playing underdone players...and the result may not have been much different.

[Baggers]

Maybe our mistake wasn't so much not playing some of these youngsters last night....but not giving them more game time through the year.
The Hawthorn youngsters have been given lots of opportunities through the season...often against tougher opposition than  Lord (albeit only half a year) , Moir and Binns have experienced.

The Hawthorn mob are growing together and are ready to take on the challenge of finals.

Binns should really have a lot more than 3 games (one as sub) already.
Others like Lemmey should have at least been blooded.

The kids settled OK in the final couple of H&A games but finals are different.
We'll never know how they would have gone now, but it was probably as big a risk as playing underdone players...and the result may not have been much different.

No greater risk than taking out of form players into any game.