CV and mad panic behaviour

[Lods]

I'm sure the fact the athletes are under 24x7 medical surveillance by health professionals, if not loaded on anti-viral treatments, will be completely ignored by those parroting the "COVID is Harmless" and "COVID is a Conspiracy" mantra!

No doubt he'll be put up as an example of how Covid doesn't really affect folks seriously if they can run an Olympic final...wheel chair exit or not.
There are issues at the other end of the scale though...

It was a tremendous effort to perform that well considering but....
The focus of the event is now not on the winner...and he's put the folks around him pre and post race at risk.

[DJC]

No doubt he'll be put up as an example of how Covid doesn't really affect folks seriously if they can run an Olympic final...wheel chair exit or not.
There are issues at the other end of the scale though...

It was a tremendous effort to perform that well considering but....
The focus of the event is now not on the winner...and he's put the folks around him pre and post race at risk.

Lyles should have worn an N95 mask  :

[kruddler]

No doubt,
But it was presented and controlled in such a way that to question the methods employed at any level was met with ridicule and vilification.
It was very black and white.
That wasn't helpful...it created divisions between friends and families.

Now I was quite happy with the approach...I felt it kept us safe.
It probably had a dramatic effect on the mortality rate.
But along the way there was no doubt a bit of wrong information and method employed in terms of restrictions as we moved through various stages of the pandemic.
A lot of the issues were to do with timing...when to shut things down, when to open up etc.

The result is that when (not if) the next pandemic comes along many more folks will be very hesitsant to undertake or go along with the same drastic methods employed during the worst covid years.

It's not something we can do much about, it's just how it will play out.

There is 2 things at play with this.
1. The Science.
2. The politicians implementing restrictions.

As we know, the science is the same the world over, essentially, some people are ahead of others and what not, but eventually everyone is on the same page.

However, the politicians varied drastically with their approach, country by country, state by state.
So 'best practice' was 'best practice.......for the politicians at the time.
Some were more conservative, some were more blase.
Some focussed on eliminating deaths.
Some focussed on minimising deaths.
Some focussed on keeping the economy alive.
Some focussed on whatever worked best for them and their mates.

I don't want to get into a who did what and why, but every country and every state and every country has an issue with how their leader handled things.

[DJC]

There is 2 things at play with this.
1. The Science.
2. The politicians implementing restrictions.

As we know, the science is the same the world over, essentially, some people are ahead of others and what not, but eventually everyone is on the same page.

However, the politicians varied drastically with their approach, country by country, state by state.
So 'best practice' was 'best practice.......for the politicians at the time.
Some were more conservative, some were more blase.
Some focussed on eliminating deaths.
Some focussed on minimising deaths.
Some focussed on keeping the economy alive.
Some focussed on whatever worked best for them and their mates.

I don't want to get into a who did what and why, but every country and every state and every country has an issue with how their leader handled things.

The science isn’t the same the world over.  Western science is way ahead of third world science and the status of scientific research  varies considerably from one country to the next.  India had very little idea of its COVID death toll and was unable to formulate a coherent response.  Sweden’s scientific response was at odds with most other western countries … and their citizens paid the price.

Even in our country, the scientific advice varied considerably from State to State and from State to Commonwealth.  How much of that was down to scientists conforming to political demands is debatable.

[PaulP]

One could argue that at a broad level, the principles that underlie the scientific method has a base level universality, consistency and commonality, but there exists within those principles flexibility as to the degree, the ordering of steps etc. that varies based on a few different parameters.

Notwithstanding that, it is important to note that science is a part of culture, and the way it is practiced is affected by the culture in which it is practiced.

[LP]

Notwithstanding that, it is important to note that science is a part of culture, and the way it is practiced is affected by the culture in which it is practiced.

The public misconstrue the messaging coming from politicians and bureaucrats as the message coming directly from scientists, while scientists must curb messaging to comply with the "influence" politicians hold over the funding they need to do the work.

The reality is few if any public officials follow the unfiltered scientific advice, instead they walk a line between what is technically correct and what is politically / socially acceptable. Political opponents nearly always choose the extreme minority perspectives in a hope of leveraging marginal / minority support, the media does the very same amplifying the minority voice. They work together like some weird evil alliance to make the world a meaner place for personal gain, does that remind you of anything?

[kruddler]

The science isn’t the same the world over.  Western science is way ahead of third world science and the status of scientific research  varies considerably from one country to the next.  India had very little idea of its COVID death toll and was unable to formulate a coherent response.  Sweden’s scientific response was at odds with most other western countries … and their citizens paid the price.

Even in our country, the scientific advice varied considerably from State to State and from State to Commonwealth.  How much of that was down to scientists conforming to political demands is debatable.

Thats why i included this...
"As we know, the science is the same the world over, essentially, some people are ahead of others and what not, but eventually everyone is on the same page."

The laws of science are the same the world over. Some people are slower to adapt to it, but eventually catch up.

re Sweden...
I had a mate who went over there just before covid to live.
He was more than happy with how Sweden was dealing with it.
Not sure of how it is now, but their economy was thriving relative to other countries.

How you view successes and failures is dependent on your own (unintended) biases.
Which is the same for politicians etc.

[LP]

It's interesting to read the new long term results have pretty much confirmed that the vast bulk of serious health issues that bloggers and anti-vaccine nutters liked to blame on the vaccination, including unexpected excess deaths plus some, turn out to be a long term side-effect of a COVID infection.

But then again, anyone open minded always knew that was a possibility, perhaps even a probability, it was only the nutters who definitively declared and associated these issues were vaccine related.

Consider this in the context of the barrage of social media, the withdrawal of certain treatments globally, the vast numbers of people who were never vaccinated as a result of those actions.

The scary part of this is that all COVID infections impart an increased risk, just that the worse the infection the greater the effect, that's not what you want to hear because it means nobody escapes increased risk. You can be asymptomatic, until you drop dead!

[LP]

The vaccines used to fight COVID, at least the basic component of them, have just completed a round of successful trials in use to fight cancers, in particular the greatest success was leveraged in the treatment of melanoma, better than 40% remission.

Here is my cynicism again, but I wonder how long before the protests start? :o