CV and mad panic behaviour

[LP]

All the health recommendations are based on case track and trace, the count isn't the primary driving factor.

Once cases are identified and quarantined, rules can change, but it's the mystery cases, protests and deliberate wilful disobedience that keeps the ground shifting on the health regulators.

It's interesting to hear nothing from the radical right who have been using Gladys Burythemall's freedom template as a basis for calling Victoria's Dan to account, mostly via Murdoch's Peta (Frankenstein's Bride) Credlin. So what happens today, Gladys cancels the NSW promises and falls into line with federal health recommendations for the higher vaccination target before freedoms can apply. Why, because her terrific numbers excluded much of regional NSW, now the truth appears, Sydney CBD was vaccinated at the expense of the rest of the state, and now the cases have headed for a country holiday!

So now the targets for NSW and Vic are almost identical. Credlin will still be calling for Vic to re-open at the same time as NSW, ignoring that the Vic vaccination rate is lagging primarily due to the Fed bias in distribution of vaccines. Gladys still claims it's because NSW does a better job, better at being thieves is probably the best analogy, second only to being better at screwing over the rural constituency!

[DJC]

Which government funds aged care in Victoria?  Federal.  Which government is charged with running them?  State.  My "hatred'?  Way too kind a word.  The pr1ck has an excuse for everything.

Wrong!

The State Government runs some aged care facilities.  The vast majority are private sector or not for profits but all are the responsibility of the Federal Government. 

Interestingly, the facilities run by the State Government had the lowest COVID infection/fatality rates.

If you're going to criticise the State Government, it's probably a good idea to get your facts right. 

The current "leader" of the Victorian Libs was a minister in my department and I find it hard to characterise his performance/integrity without resorting to profanity.  Let's just say that if he was the Premier now, the scale of the clusterfeck would enormous.

[Micky0]

Thanks for answering Shawny, I appreciate it. I’m so sorry your kids are really hurting.

You’re right I suppose where you sit now is how you view it - besides loss of doing what we want my family has maintained our life pretty much in terms of work. My kids are ok remote learning and otherwise are ok.

I disagree on the lies you’ve attributed to Dan and view him as a strong leader. But understand that due to your circumstances you see it differently.

I hope Covid fucks off for all our sakes.

[DJC]

The Doherty Institute is not the government.  It is an independent research body with some of the smartest, most knowledgeable people in the country working on the COVID pandemic.  I like to read their updates because I know that they are based on the best science and they shine a light at the end of the tunnel.

For example:

... once we achieve 70%-80% vaccination we will see less transmission of COVID-19 and fewer people with severe illness, and therefore fewer hospitalisations and deaths. COVID-19 won’t go away but it will be easier to control in the future. These estimates come from the modelling work completed to date led by the Doherty Institute and commissioned by the Commonwealth Government to advise on the National Plan to transition Australia's National COVID-19 Response

This level of vaccination will make it easier to live with the virus, as we do with other viruses such as the flu. However, it won’t be possible to maintain a situation where there are no cases at all. The focus will shift to keeping the number of people going to hospital and dying at a minimum.

In an average year of influenza, we would roughly have 600 deaths and 200,000 cases in Australia. Any death is a tragedy, but our health system can cope with this. In the COVID-19 modelling, opening up at 70% vaccine coverage of the adult population with partial public health measures, we predict 385,983 symptomatic cases and 1,457 deaths over six months. With optimal public health measures (and no lockdowns), this can be significantly reduced to 2,737 infections and 13 deaths.

We’ve learned from watching countries that have removed all restrictions that there is no ‘freedom day’. We will need to keep some public health measures in place – test, trace, isolate and quarantine – to keep the reproduction number below 1, but as vaccination rates increase, we’ll be able to ease up further and it is unlikely that we will need generalised lockdowns.

Once we reach 70% vaccine coverage, opening up at tens or hundreds of cases nationally per day is possible, however, we will need vigilant public health interventions with higher case loads.
https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/n...-modelling

[LP]

The Doherty Institute is not the government.  It is an independent research body with some of the smartest, most knowledgeable people in the country working on the COVID pandemic.  I like to read their updates because I know that they are based on the best science and they shine a light at the end of the tunnel.

This little bit of is something that isn't spoken about enough.

We’ve learned from watching countries that have removed all restrictions that there is no ‘freedom day’. We will need to keep some public health measures in place – test, trace, isolate and quarantine – to keep the reproduction number below 1, but as vaccination rates increase, we’ll be able to ease up further and it is unlikely that we will need generalised lockdowns.

This truth is pretty much completely ignored by mainstream media and most political commentary.

When I read some of the comments here it is clear some believe in the concept of "Freedom Day", which is an ironic term given letting it run loose at moderate vaccination dates results in the ultimate removal of freedom for some people, death!

[ElwoodBlues1]

https://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/conte...R_2021.pdf
For those who want a look into the future........cant see lockdowns being lifted to any great extent even at 70%.
Hope those high seeding figures never happen and the knuckleheads in the community show some common sense and continue safe practices .
Remembering Victoria has about 800 ICU beds and NSW has a few more.
Gladys has been telling some more porkies too claiming that NSW can get that up to 2000 quickly....
AMA vice president Chris Moy, has accused the Berejiklian government and health authorities of being “flippant” in insisting the New South Wales health system can expand its intensive care capacity to 2,000 beds, warning that if it is able to source enough staff to care for that many patients, hospitals would be in a state of “catastrophe”.
Moy is talking about home care for some less ill CoVid patients with GP's and visiting nurses providing that care including equipment being installed in patient homes.
Moy believes GPs are the “missing link” in NSW’s Covid surge contingencies, and said that without them alleviating hospital workers, “I don’t know where staff to care for 2,000 ICU patients would come from”.
Good luck with getting GP's to fill in the gaps, State governments should have thought more about training more ICU nurses and paying them properly.
Promising beds you cant deliver is one thing but forgetting about providing trained staff is another...and for the record its 12 months to train an ICU Nurse and not every Nurse
has the ability so you have to get the best to be putting their hand up for the role.

He also believes highly skilled nurses who have recently left ICUs to work in the state’s Covid vaccine clinics will need to be recalled to intensive care units if a surge in serious coronavirus hospitalisations eventuates.
ER and ICU Nurses wont like that given they get paid more jabbing CoVid vaccines into arms and get to go home at a normal time.

[shawny]

https://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/conte...R_2021.pdf
For those who want a look into the future........cant see lockdowns being lifted to any great extent even at 70%.
Hope those high seeding figures never happen and the knuckleheads in the community show some common sense and continue safe practices .

EB, has there been any advise on the rules of quarantine if exposed once the state opens. Surely not the same 14 day quarantine is going to apply if your fully vaccinated?

Everyone concedes opening up will have case numbers heading north so the chances of being near live with or at a tier one site is going to be a much higher probability then we currently have. Hopefully if your fully vaccinated that rule doesn’t apply.

[shawny]

Thanks for answering Shawny, I appreciate it. I’m so sorry your kids are really hurting.

You’re right I suppose where you sit now is how you view it - besides loss of doing what we want my family has maintained our life pretty much in terms of work. My kids are ok remote learning and otherwise are ok.

I disagree on the lies you’ve attributed to Dan and view him as a strong leader. But understand that due to your circumstances you see it differently.

I hope Covid screws off for all our sakes.

Thanks micky. Agree that Covid views are skewed depending on your personal situation.  I know some that are getting nice government kickbacks for doing no less or more then they ever have as a casual worker which IMO is wrong yet they checked and it’s legal so they are taking it. If they are ok mentally don’t have children to be concerned about they will view Covid very differently to someone who may have lost there business struggling to keep there home and has family with mental health concerns to top it off.

We all need to consider others in these stressful times. As a country we have always helped a mate when they needed it - bloody sad to see this virus causing separation and lack of empathy as many want to divide us based on their vaccine views, whether someone wears a mask while walking their dog or questioning if they really needed to buy weed killer at Bunnings as it wasn’t essential.

No one knows the luggage some people are carrying so think about that before throwing insults.

Take care brother and thanks for your kind words.

[ElwoodBlues1]

EB, has there been any advise on the rules of quarantine if exposed once the state opens. Surely not the same 14 day quarantine is going to apply if your fully vaccinated?

Everyone concedes opening up will have case numbers heading north so the chances of being near live with or at a tier one site is going to be a much higher probability then we currently have. Hopefully if your fully vaccinated that rule doesn’t apply.

Shawny...I'm not across the quarantine likely changes, but my personal opinion is I'd be surprised if Dan was to lower the number of days that quickly and now Gladys has scrapped Freedom day I reckon its going to be a slow transition in NSW as well.

[capcom]

Wrong!

https://www2.health.vic.gov.au/ageing-an...-aged-care