CV and mad panic behaviour

[capcom]

I don't owe you (or anyone else) an answer to that so don't waste your time

Well considered and original response  :

[ElwoodBlues1]

Interesting article:  Half of unvaccinated workers say they’d rather quit than get a shot – but real-world data suggest few are following through, The Conversation.

Given vaccinations & everything Covid is much more politicised in the US than here, the statistical analysis is pretty relevant. It would seem that even the anti-vaxxers in the Deep South give in after talking tough.

The vaccine mandates announced in Victoria are already being credited with boosting the vaccination rate.

190 staff have left the ED at a large inner Melb hospital in the last 18 months, wards are full and vaxed patients with side effects are
clogging up ED's and taking up resources. If numbers ever reach the modelling figures of 2000 cases the hospital system will collapse in Melbourne.
Real world data isnt so real, you need to speak to the staff at the hospitals to get the real picture...

[ElwoodBlues1]

Rumored there could be a bit of Novavax finding its way to Melbourne as well in the next 3-4 weeks.....

[kruddler]

190 staff have left the ED at a large inner Melb hospital in the last 18 months, wards are full and vaxed patients with side effects are
clogging up ED's and taking up resources. If numbers ever reach the modelling figures of 2000 cases the hospital system will collapse in Melbourne.
Real world data isnt so real, you need to speak to the staff at the hospitals to get the real picture...

My mother in law was a career long nurse who went into early retirement.
Her husband worked in the hospital system as well transporting patients around in the covid wards, he went into an even earlier retirement.

These are not isolated cases. Overworked and in high risk environments.

[ElwoodBlues1]

My mother in law was a career long nurse who went into early retirement.
Her husband worked in the hospital system as well transporting patients around in the covid wards, he went into an even earlier retirement.

These are not isolated cases. Overworked and in high risk environments.

A lot of Nurses are getting out of the job, its become a nightmare profession to work in. They need to build more Hospitals and
staff them correctly instead of trying to screw every last drop of blood out of the staff they have left now.
According to Dan whose amnesia has cleared up the 4000 ICU beds and equipment he promised have been found in a Warehouse.....lots of rats, cockroaches and mice in that Warehouse requiring ventilators.....

[Mav]

190 staff have left the ED at a large inner Melb hospital in the last 18 months, wards are full and vaxed patients with side effects are
clogging up ED's and taking up resources. If numbers ever reach the modelling figures of 2000 cases the hospital system will collapse in Melbourne.
Real world data isnt so real, you need to speak to the staff at the hospitals to get the real picture...

I'd probably prefer real world data. The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it usually comes from a small sample. For instance, if you listen to anti-vax or vaccine-sceptical health workers, you'll probably get a pretty skewed version of reality. Vaccine mandates are the way to go, even if some health workers will fall by the wayside. But I'd be happy for the Govt. to throw some money into raising staffing levels.

[PaulP]

I'd probably prefer real world data. The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it usually comes from a small sample..................................

I agree. There's a logical fallacy simply called the Anecdotal Fallacy, which is a very common technique used in argumentation. I favour the collection of both anecdotal and real world data, and I suspect this is what more frequently happens.

[capcom]

190 staff have left the ED at a large inner Melb hospital in the last 18 months, wards are full and vaxed patients with side effects are
clogging up ED's and taking up resources. If numbers ever reach the modelling figures of 2000 cases the hospital system will collapse in Melbourne.
Real world data isnt so real, you need to speak to the staff at the hospitals to get the real picture...

Frightening [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] ... so glad I'm well out of that chaos.

[shawny]

Shawny, real question - where do you get your news from? Is it Herald Sun? Just curious, because you and Capcom and Madboyblue all have this real visceral hatred of Dan and seem to find this whole epidemic and lockdowns, to be his personal fault.

The protests over the past week are being hashtagged #murdochriots because the language and actually one of the banners took its comment straight off the Herald Sun.

I know many people don’t believe Andrews is doing a good job, but I want to know what is it you’d prefer him to do? If the HS was reporting this as they do NSW, I wonder if you’d feel differently?

It’s a genuine curiosity I have.

He spoke about the 4,000 icu beds in today’s presser. Basically that it takes time to train up and recruit that many nurses to be skilled enough to run 4,000 beds. but that also we wouldnt want to have 1,000 ICU beds full let alone 4,000.

I’m not saying he hasn’t lied, every politician lies.

But I see him as genuinely hard working and trying his best, with 100% blowback but most media in this State plus our inept Fed Gov.

So you disagree that the 800 dead from
Last year were from FEDERALLY RUN aged care? STATE RUN aged care came through with I think 20 deaths, not sure on that.

How can it be Dan’s fault? How come he doesn’t get a gold star from you for the state run aged care coming thru unscathed, yet you point the finger at him For the deaths in fed run? Honestly that makes no sense to me.

Do you know other countries are going in and out of lockdown all the time? Singapore has gone back into one recently. There is no quick fix unfortunately.

Do you have equal hatred of Jeroem, Foley and Sutton? Or do you believe the diCTAtor dAN theory in that he is the one making every decision regardless of what others say? And he is doing so to keep everyone miserable?

I think Australia and other island nations are in such a unique position, we all could’ve squashed Covid snd been free communities. How come you’re not pointing the finger at the feds to say why was a quarantine station not built in March 2020
In the middle of this massive country, to take in overseas travelers? Why was it left to the states to repurpose hotels in the middle of the city? That just makes no sense. Yet someone scumo is not getting grilled over this very basic thing he could’ve arranged early on, and we’d all be free to live our lives. No Covid spread.

Please also stop with the Dan stuffed quarantine by not having the AFD. that is a Sky News rhetoric and Peta had all the evidence to bring down the Andrews government one year ago - yet, here we all sit.

I think you’re a good person that is suffering or your children are, it is frustrating, it feels never ending. But we will get there ☮️

My children are severely suffering mate as is the majority of states when you live in the most locked up place on earth. I do sincerely appreciate your reply as you are genuine but obviously we are sitting on different sides of the fence and view things accordingly.

This man is a stone faced liar which as you rightly point out all political figures are but his lies were done under oath where he was asked to respond to the process in place that ultimately lead to the death of 700 plus Victorian’s so they are on a completely different level to the standard daily lies pollies make. This very point is enough for him to never ever be allowed to hold a place in power again.
He stubbornly refused to follow the rest of the country quarantine set up that whatever way you want to interpret it resulting in hundreds of lives that would have been spared like they were in every other state that did it differently.
He then promised 4000 icu beds which was only said to take some pressure of him yet when it came down to it he never delivered one extra bed. Not one!  The nurse number not being able to service those beds argument is tied into him as well - of course he didn’t think of that part as he original promise was not thought out as he says what he needs to at the time to get thru rather then coming up with thought out practical polices that may actually help. The poor nurses are overworked and like ambos are severely underpaid and he has done nothing - absolutely nothing to assist them at all. Yet funny thing is he didn’t miss the opportunity to give himself a pay rise did he? He is the last person that needed that rise and the audacity to take it speaks volumes of his ego and power trip he is on. He is accountable to no one which is a utter disgrace.

He locked up kids playgrounds ffs when we had 20 odd cases based on advise and re opened them when we had 200 cases. Incompetent and nonsensical decisions are consistent under his reign such as the utter stupidity of restricting the movements of citizens that are already on their knees to 5km increments. All for his control as from a health perspective there is no sense in that rule at all.
These are facts that can’t be disputed and as such he should not be leading the state and imo should be on manslaughter charges the same way in my business if my negligence caused the death of one employee let alone 700 plus I would be held accountable. Amnesia would not provide me the get out of jail card that he was afforded the luxury of using.

Disgraceful and criminal.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Frightening [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] ... so glad I'm well out of that chaos.

It is Cap, the system is stretched and propped up by agency nurses, however when a specialty nurse is required ie Cardiac..often it will just be an RN without that specialty training who is sent to fill in that shift/s so the standard of care drops.