Football Department Review

[PaulP]

Interesting read.  Cheers

?

[Macca37]

I found the article :

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/how-...52hgq.html

Thanks, Paul.  It's interesting how quickly expectations have been dashed.

I wonder whether the selection committee members saw Teague as the preferred coach before the interview and massaged the selection criteria to match their views.

[Thryleon]

Teague can coach.

The question is, are we going to let him?

Do any other coaches see so much weight of expectation just on 2 years into their tenure with the whole covid situation bubbling along in the background?

It would be quite challenging and its almost a perfect storm for us as a footy club.

[Macca37]

Teague can coach.

The question is, are we going to let him?

Do any other coaches see so much weight of expectation just on 2 years into their tenure with the whole covid situation bubbling along in the background?

It would be quite challenging and its almost a perfect storm for us as a footy club.

I just don't see him holding on.  The current list is unwilling or unable to follow his plan and further losses will put even more pressure on the board to offer hope to members.

Short of culling half the list I think Teague will be the sacrificial lamb. 

[PaulP]

I just don't see him holding on.  The current list is unwilling or unable to follow his plan and further losses will put even more pressure on the board to offer hope to members.

Short of culling half the list I think Teague will be the sacrificial lamb. 

It hasn't worked before, and it won't work now.

Memo to the CFC : When you're in a hole, don't dig.

[Gointocarlton]

Think he was a mercenary, Caro got stuck into him and tried to bait him every week on Footy Class and Bec was also copping plenty through the media.Think he just wanted out...What was left for him in the world of football and media?

Ive met him a few times through a mate at club functions, very nice bloke, very down to earth. My mate has business dealings, he speaks very highly of him.

[DJC]

Teague can coach.

The question is, are we going to let him?

Do any other coaches see so much weight of expectation just on 2 years into their tenure with the whole covid situation bubbling along in the background?

It would be quite challenging and its almost a perfect storm for us as a footy club.

If Teague can coach at AFL level, why haven't we seen evidence of it.

I keep harping on about it but poor team selection, playing blokes out of position, persevering with a game plan that doesn't work (at least with the players we put on the park), poor preparation (in terms of matchups, tactics etc) and inability to change things during games aren't characteristics of someone who can coach.

All teams are affected by COVID so that's not really a factor but, yes, Teague has only been in the job for a little over two years.  Of course, Nicks, Rutten, Longmuir, Noble and Ratten haven't been in their jobs quite as long and, with the exception of Noble, all have their teams performing a little better than us.  They may not have the same level of expectation placed upon them, but Teague represents a radical departure from what the club told us it was doing and, so far, we're not seeing what the change was supposed to bring.

I think that it would be wrong for the club to sack yet another coach, particularly after only two years.  It would also be wrong to let things continue as they are and not bring in the best assistants to give Teague the chance to show that he can coach.

[Gointocarlton]

If Teague can coach at AFL level, why haven't we seen evidence of it.

I keep harping on about it but poor team selection, playing blokes out of position, persevering with a game plan that doesn't work (at least with the players we put on the park), poor preparation (in terms of matchups, tactics etc) and inability to change things during games aren't characteristics of someone who can coach.

All teams are affected by COVID so that's not really a factor but, yes, Teague has only been in the job for a little over two years.  Of course, Nicks, Rutten, Longmuir, Noble and Ratten haven't been in their jobs quite as long and, with the exception of Noble, all have their teams performing a little better than us.  They may not have the same level of expectation placed upon them, but Teague represents a radical departure from what the club told us it was doing and, so far, we're not seeing what the change was supposed to bring.

I think that it would be wrong for the club to sack yet another coach, particularly after only two years.  It would also be wrong to let things continue as they are and not bring in the best assistants to give Teague the chance to show that he can coach.

Ive been abit miffed as to why he has persisted with the same plan for so long despite so many failings.
Listening to Leppa on the radio the other day, he suggested there is only minimal stuff you can do mid season, he says it takes a whole summer PS to change it up.

[Thryleon]

If Teague can coach at AFL level, why haven't we seen evidence of it.

I keep harping on about it but poor team selection, playing blokes out of position, persevering with a game plan that doesn't work (at least with the players we put on the park), poor preparation (in terms of matchups, tactics etc) and inability to change things during games aren't characteristics of someone who can coach.

All teams are affected by COVID so that's not really a factor but, yes, Teague has only been in the job for a little over two years.  Of course, Nicks, Rutten, Longmuir, Noble and Ratten haven't been in their jobs quite as long and, with the exception of Noble, all have their teams performing a little better than us.  They may not have the same level of expectation placed upon them, but Teague represents a radical departure from what the club told us it was doing and, so far, we're not seeing what the change was supposed to bring.

I think that it would be wrong for the club to sack yet another coach, particularly after only two years.  It would also be wrong to let things continue as they are and not bring in the best assistants to give Teague the chance to show that he can coach.

Last year was the best season we have had in a very long time.

Yes it wasnt a good one, but thats still better than the previous 7 years of garbage.


We have been hearing about all these things (playing blokes out of position, persevering with a game plan that doesnt work, poor preparation in terms of matchups and tactics etc and inability to change things during games and yet if you actually watch our games you see that most of these criticisms arent just invalid, they are flat out inaccurate.

To reiterate:  I have seen Docherty released to a wing, Zac Williams moved forward back and midfield, Stocker put on ball, different taggers and backs roll through players at times, Liam Jones swung forward, Harry put in the ruck to get him into the game and thats just off the top of my head.  These are all in game changes.

The game plan isnt faulty if it works where we can play our way for periods, and it isnt a throw it out scenario and come up with something new, but change in the way its implemented.  Footy is footy.  To a degree its a simple game and there isnt too much you can do differently if players get caught napping, or roll the dice and lose.

Historically, we have said, tagging star players sometimes might nullify one or two and take 10% off their game, but if you taking a dusty or bont, from 40 and 2 goals, to 30 and 1 goal, and then eliminating the input of one of yours from 20 down to 10 posessions, whats the point?

We have been in most of our games this year, and with some change in our fortunes, we would actually be fairing better.  I dont think our team has looked fit all year (typified by the Skipper) and that we have had a few that have been in top gear and most of them really trying to work out their form slumps.

If a bloke can coach, (irrespective of the level) and they come into the Carlton hot seat and cannot coach, I personally am unconvinced the issue is the coach.  I dont think we have a one issue per se.  I think the players think they are better than they are, and probably need a lesson in hard work, which might be why we see the matchups where they get thrashed for a bit.

We need to stop our players from being so comfortable with being uncomfortable in other words.

[laj]

If Teague can coach at AFL level, why haven't we seen evidence of it.

I keep harping on about it but poor team selection, playing blokes out of position, persevering with a game plan that doesn't work (at least with the players we put on the park), poor preparation (in terms of matchups, tactics etc) and inability to change things during games aren't characteristics of someone who can coach.

All teams are affected by COVID so that's not really a factor but, yes, Teague has only been in the job for a little over two years.  Of course, Nicks, Rutten, Longmuir, Noble and Ratten haven't been in their jobs quite as long and, with the exception of Noble, all have their teams performing a little better than us.  They may not have the same level of expectation placed upon them, but Teague represents a radical departure from what the club told us it was doing and, so far, we're not seeing what the change was supposed to bring.

I think that it would be wrong for the club to sack yet another coach, particularly after only two years.  It would also be wrong to let things continue as they are and not bring in the best assistants to give Teague the chance to show that he can coach.

Same reason as premiership coaches like Malthouse failed. Player culture, lack of drive and motivation. All player issues. Keep changing coaches, nothing changes in any of those aspects. Game plans never look like they work when players decide they won't work hard. Ridiculously, Teague has comfortably been our 2nd best coach, from a win/loss basis, this century and certainly one of the most scoreboard competitive (as distinct from actually competitive sometimes). Won't only need to change of player attitude and workrate to make finals.

Yes, agree with the latter part. From what I heard though Teague has had enough and wanted to quit a few weeks ago, Between family tragedy and trying to his his team to do as their told he probably had enough.