Hall of fame - Goodes

[LP]

BS. In the pantheon of AFL bad boys, Goodes doesn’t rate at all. If lack of remorse or denial was enough to inspire universal condemnation, Dermie would have endured a wall of booing every second he was on field. Remember when he tried to claim he didn’t mean to stand on Raydan Tallis’ head (among other clear “alternative facts”)?

Brereton was booed widely by many AFL fans, not always the same reason for each game, but widely, as was Hunt for standing on Betts hand.

To assert they were booed for for a single or the same reason at every game is an absurdity, just as absurd as to claim Goodes was only booed by racists.

[Mav]

Nice straw man argument there. Point to where I claimed “Goodes was only booed by racists” or was “booed for for a single or the same reason at every game”. I won’t bother cutting and pasting my actual arguments as they are clearly set out above. And nice little move there, changing the focus from racist acts to racists. That gets you a gold elephant stamp.

[LP]

Instead of the mob accepting that Goodes was being racially abused, it reacted by amping up the booing because Goodes had humiliated a poor (white) girl, even though she wasn’t carrying an “I’m only 14” sign on her.

The bulk of the mob you accuse of booing in racism, pretty much everyone more than a row or two from the child, only saw a wealthy, healthy powerful AFL man point out a female child to a security guard, "the mob" had neither audio, context or transcript of the events that took place at the time. That all came after the fact, all they saw was an AFL Man having a child ejected by ground security.

Are you accusing "the mob" of supporting the child's abusive stance after they were made aware of the evidence?

From any distance that I saw that event, in the absence of other evidence, I'd be part of the crowd booing Goodes as well, fancy the big strong influential footballer singling out a child to be frog marched out of the stadium! Based on your want for corporal punishment as outlined in your ear shredding post, I suspect you would have booed too!

But all that comes long long long after the crowds started booing Goodes for other reasons, reasons related to football and on field behaviour and nothing at all to do with racism, most of it starting around 2011. It had been going on years before the McGuire incident.

[madbluboy]

The hawks were the first fans to boo him as  they had a big rivalry with Sydney. He did a few dirty acts but it was more the fact he got off at the tribunal. The Swans upset the Hawks in 2012 and then stole Buddy a year later. They hated Sydney, their fans used to chant COLA at games.
Hawk fans booed him in the 2014 grand final as they had done before and then a few Mav types in the media started saying it was racist because of Eddie and the 13 year old girl.

[ElwoodBlues1]

I think Adam Goodes did some stuff on the field he wouldnt be proud of and in turn the public went with what they knew would be hurtful back and that was the booing with a good dose of racism mixed in.
I remember he went in first with his feet and took Josh Gibson out in one game and also I saw he had games where he disguised the odd sliding knee to the body or head when players were on the ground.
I dont know what was said or led to that behavior but Goodes became a little careless in his later years in how he treated other players and while players move on fans dont forget.
Was he lashing out because of what he was copping on the field verbally, physically , I dont know but it just seemed to me he was playing with real anger not just with the crowd but with opposition players too.
Its interesting with cricketers like Warner and Smith who cop booing now when they enter the field to bat....not to the same extent as Goodes did because cricket is more of a gentlemans game but never the less fans of countries other than South Africa also joined in the booing ie England and wont let either player forget the Sandpaper incident. Warner really collapsed under the pressure last Ashes series in England so booing can be be contagious, fashionable and can flow over to other teams/countries even though they have no direct involvement in incidents that caused the initial booing.
I'm sure half the people booing Goodes wouldnt even know why they were booing and just joined in to be part of the crowd because that is human nature to enjoy another human being tormented...sad isnt it.

[LP]

I think Adam Goodes did some stuff on the field he wouldnt be proud of and in turn the public went with what they knew would be hurtful back and that was the booing with a good dose of racism mixed in.
I remember he went in first with his feet and took Josh Gibson out in one game and also I saw he had games where he disguised the odd sliding knee to the body or head when players were on the ground.
I dont know what was said or led to that behavior but Goodes became a little careless in his later years in how he treated other players and while players move on fans dont forget.
Was he lashing out because of what he was copping on the field verbally, physically , I dont know but it just seemed to me he was playing with real anger not just with the crowd but with opposition players too.
Its interesting with cricketers like Warner and Smith who cop booing now when they enter the field to bat....not to the same extent as Goodes did because cricket is more of a gentlemans game but never the less fans of countries other than South Africa also joined in the booing ie England and wont let either player forget the Sandpaper incident. Warner really collapsed under the pressure last Ashes series in England so booing can be be contagious, fashionable and can flow over to other teams/countries even though they have no direct involvement in incidents that caused the initial booing.
I'm sure half the people booing Goodes wouldnt even know why they were booing and just joined in to be part of the crowd because that is human nature to enjoy another human being tormented...sad isnt it.

I think that is a good balanced perspective of the circumstances, and yes it is sad.

If Carlton fans thought booing would get under the skin of say a Matthew Lloyd or a James Hird, we'd have done it in droves without hesitation, maybe we did try but they didn't react and we'd wasted our time so it died off.

More than once I recall Plugger getting fed up with opposition fans behind the goal and trying to remove their heads with the footy, that only made the fans worse, skin colour had nothing to do with it!

[shawny]

Personally I couldn't stand him. 

Incited and divided the crowd like no one else - running with a pretend spear towards an opposition losing cheer squad is going to get a reaction regardless of your skin colour or the meaning behind it and then in typical righteous fashion he is offended when booed and played the race card till after he retired.  Gimme a break

Goodes rarely if ever complimented the AFL for providing him with the lifestyle he likely currently still reaps the benefits from  - nope he only ever discussed the negative side of the industry and his lack of appreciation of any thing positive the industry gave him is IMO another reason the average fan dislikes him.




 

[Gointocarlton]

Personally I couldn't stand him. 

Incited and divided the crowd like no one else - running with a pretend spear towards an opposition losing cheer squad is going to get a reaction regardless of your skin colour or the meaning behind it and then in typical righteous fashion he is offended when booed and played the race card till after he retired.  Gimme a break

Goodes rarely if ever complimented the AFL for providing him with the lifestyle he likely currently still reaps the benefits from  - nope he only ever discussed the negative side of the industry and his lack of appreciation of any thing positive the industry gave him is IMO another reason the average fan dislikes him.




 

I am sure Goodes, like everyone, has done things he regrets and would take them back if he could. But the racial vilification he has suffered on and off the field, which has deeply affected him, cannot be questioned. Many will debate whether the booing was racially motivated or not but to me that's not the central issue.

[madbluboy]

Harry O'Brien's own team mates used to call him chimp but he didn't get any support from anyone.

[Thryleon]

Harry O'Brien's own team mates used to call him chimp but he didn't get any support from anyone.

Apparently he himself called himself Chimp.

Either way its pretty abhorrent.

My surname is pretty long.  I got nicknamed by the 12th man cab driver as parts of that name are in my surname (and first name).

For those who dont know or remember:

Theo"farken"opoulos.

Thats what I was called in high school.  You know what the other Greeks copped?  Various other things, but there was a delivery style that changed it, and not everyone delivered it either, but to the average Joe, it might have been racist, but that's being an Australian for you.

Maybe that was racist.  That didnt bother me anywhere near as much as being called a fat, greasy smelly wog.