Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

[kruddler]

Why? It's round 2.

re Cripps....
I have vague recollections of him getting cleaned up in a marking contest. May have been twice. Someone jumped into his back and some contact was made front on.

He might be playing injured, but it could be a new injury rather than him carrying one from the pre-season.
That being said, he did have something in the preseason, does anyone remember what injury Cripps had?

[Thryleon]

Cripps is getting creamed by two or more opponents in every contest.  There's only so long you can do that for before it takes a physical toll.

I like shifting him forward as a way to lengthen his career.

If playing forward is no good, perhaps we can. Shift him to defence ala kouta and then put him on ball later?

[Baggers]

Curious.

When was the last time one of these things actually worked in the AFL? The last time the 2007 version worked was in 2007. There's probably a very different version working at a club right now. Any decent 360 degree feedback program has undergone considerable change since inception and application in today's environment. As I said previously, the effectiveness and relevance of any 360 degree program has so many factors and considerations that have changed over time. These programs are not all the same with predictable cookie-cutter formats and cookie-cutter outcomes. If only it were that simple.

It was all the rage 10-15 years ago.....but the standard line of thinking nowadays is its outdated. The version suitable and applicable 10-15 years ago is outdated, just like your mobile phone, that's why any decent program of this nature evolves, and most credible programs have evolved, considerably. We should also remember that these programs aren't only for sporting clubs! But what the 360 degree program stands for and addresses has been around for decades, even centuries and will last as long as humans have a need for accountability, communication, empathy, unity, transparency, inspiration, camaraderie, unconditional support & encouragement, laughter and community... and so on.

You stated Tigers have done it, not sure when or how often, but the implication would be it was before they started winning flags which would make it 1 team in the past 5 years that it has worked for. I mentioned that the Tiggers used other factors as well, they molded programs to suit their needs - brilliant, bold stuff which had enormous impact... who knows, maybe it was the Brene Brown inclusion in particular that did the job... I suspect so. They raised the bar... as I mentioned previously, anyone who thinks a 360 degree feedback program is a panacea is living in la la land, it is but one tool and ever so dependent on it's facilitators, buy in from client, research, fit, what changed about it to suit the individual needs of the client... etc. etc. Sweeping statements/generalisations that 360 feedback programs are outdated or a 'be all and end all' are very simplistic and naive.

We've seen Adelaide try something, clearly did more damage. Not necessarily the same thing absolutely and completely NOT the same thing, but it does highlight that kids nowadays are all snowflakes and are less likely to respond to this sort of thing. A very unfair generalisation about today's kids, yes, too many have an 'entitlement' air about them but plenty are honest, hard working curious folks just like you and I were as kids - cut them, and they'll bleed. Just look at the work ethic of our boy Walsh. Plenty of quality young folk around today.

Majority of coaches (if not all) nowadays are more like psychologists rather than drill sergeants.  Gone is the ranting and raving, instead replaced by calm, logic and reason. Teague fits that bill despite some pining for the alternative. Sorry mate, but those statements, every sentence, are such sweeping generalisations I don't know where to start with any response... best I just leave it at that - sweeping generalisations.

[shawny]

Some good points LP, our young players sometimes look like Robots who have been over coached.
Maybe the Bolton years of Green shoots/development failed to teach our kids about winning and how you have to fight to win and never quit. It was always about development and even Bolton in his darkest days refused to acknowledge winning was important until right at the end when it was too late. It can be hard to re program kids and you need a very strong personality coaching your club to do that IMO.

Agree. In both games this season the game was winnable half way into the last quarter yet our group looked flat and as though they had already conceded the game was lost.
There was no dare no risks no energy at all.
This worried me.

[cookie2]

I think our poblems reef back to the place where they have been for a long time now. The midfield. Unfortunately its heart, i.e. Crippa,  is not firing atm and maybe that is affecting others around him. Walsh is fighting desperately to fill the vacuum but he can't do it all and others need to also step up. Our midfield coaching group needs to lift its game also.

[shawny]

I think our poblems reef back to the place where they have been for a long time now. The midfield. Unfortunately its heart, i.e. Crippa,  is not firing atm and maybe that is affecting others around him. Walsh is fighting desperately to fill the vacuum but he can't do it all and others need to also step up. Our midfield coaching group needs to lift its game also.

Agree cookie but we have been saying this since the start of the rebuild. SOS failed in getting in ready made support for in this area imo.
Our midfield just doesn’t bat deep enough when all we have is 3 A/B graders in the starting group. The rest that roll through there are lucky to get a game imo.

Dow, LOB, Kennedy, SPS, Cunningham, setterfield and fisher were targeted originally for this area yet none delivered on what we  envisaged they would become.

If even 3 of that group developed they way they should have we would be a drastically improved team. Games are still won in the midfield and we are up against it every week. The flow on effect is the forwards get poor delivery and the defence has to cope with too much space for opposition forwards to work in as our mids are just not up it defensively.
Brisbane rebuild started after us the main defence is they got ready made mids and used the draft to top up. We did the opposite.

[ElwoodBlues1]

For all the GWS players we picked up we missed on the two that could really make a difference.
Adams and Steele are leaders and have an edge to their game....Stkilda in particular would be nothing without Steele.

[shawny]

For all the GWS players we picked up we missed on the two that could really make a difference.
Adams and Steele are leaders and have an edge to their game....Stkilda in particular would be nothing without Steele.

Add Treloar and Prestia as well.
Thing is we got the ones no one really wanted and hoped like hell they would become players.

[townsendcalling]

re Cripps....
I have vague recollections of him getting cleaned up in a marking contest. May have been twice. Someone jumped into his back and some contact was made front on.

He might be playing injured, but it could be a new injury rather than him carrying one from the pre-season.
That being said, he did have something in the preseason, does anyone remember what injury Cripps had?

In the week between the last practice match and Round 1 he was caught leaving a radiology place but it was never reported why he was actually there. You don’t go and get an MRI because you’ve got nothing else to do.

[bignic]

Here's a stat for all of you.
From the 2009-2014 draft picks, Patrick Cripps is the only player who remains on the CFC list.
That's 6 drafts with only one pick left to show for it. Great, isn't it.

Our recruiting has been abysmal.

Now down to tin tacks.

We have a coach who sits in the box like a stunned mullet. No passion. No nothing. When plan A, whatever that is fails, there is no plan B or C. On Thursday night, he was sitting in the box chewing on a pencil, looking like Mr.Peabody from Rocky and Bullwinkle days, if some of you are old enough to remember them.

We are getting thrashed through the mid-field. Who coaches the mid's? Barker. Why is he still there after 12 years of failure.

Unfortunately, our Coach, is a lovely bloke who is obviously allowing his innate softness, and closeness to the players, dictate who he drops, or promotes. We need a right royal piece of cr@p coaching us, who is nice to the blokes when it's the right time to be so, but a complete and utter emotionless bastard when it comes to the selection table, and calling the weak mongrels out for what they are,for their weak efforts on the field.

Our club is far too involved in do good, politically correct off field stuff, and has stopped being concerned with what actually matters to the supporters who contribute through memberships to the clubs coffers and by extension the players salaries.

And just in case someone at the joint is reading this, and doesn't understand what it is that they should really be concerned about, IT'S WINNING GAMES AND PREMIERSHIPS!!

So, a coach with any intelligence, one who places winning games and flags as THE PRIORITY, would drop Murphy in a heartbeat.
Great servant of the club, but the man is gone. His shoulders are stuffed, so he can't stick a tackle. Mind you, because of that issue, he only puts on a show that he is trying to tackle. He won't go into a pack, because he had his jaw broken years ago, and is too scared to have it happen again.
That he's a turnover merchant, is also a reason for him to be dropped, but the first two I mentioned, should be more than enough.

They are allowing their hearts to rule their heads, and our club and the success we crave, cannot afford that.

Levi, is gone.
Williamson, no right foot kicking ability, easily brushed aside, not good enough.
Ploughman, can mark, can kick well, but too easily brushed aside and is a panic merchant. We can't afford him in our side.
Setterfield. Has got ability, but they are still trying to work out where best to play him. Maybe it's the mid-field, but having said that, he has jibbed it on a number of occasions. You can't be in a team and play scared football, and not be prepared to put your body on the line. The coach should be telling him that that is required, otherwise he is of little or no value to the team.
SPS, is NOT a back man. He doesn't have the body for it. He has got silky skills and should be in the mid-field or on the forward line where I reckon he would be very dangerous.
Jones must be told to stop with the two fisted punch. He did it twice that I noted on Thursday night, when he could easily have taken the mark.

Look you have all covered the weaknesses inherent in our team. It starts at the top, and is rusted on right through the whole lot of them.
If only they all played with the passion and determination of Sam Walsh.

And that's where I come back to the coach.

I'm an old supporter. Worked it out the other day, that I have been supporting the club since 1953 when my dad bought me a jumper with Keith Warburton's number 7 on the back.

I've had a great run. Seen more flags won than a 30 year old supporter who has seen none.
I don't care about me, but I do care about those who have never had the pleasure of watching us win a premiership like I have.

So for their sakes, I want to see the coach and those who select the team be ruthless this week. Give blokes who will put in, they may not be the best players in the side, a go. Stop letting their hearts rule their heads. Go to Murphy, and say it's over mate.

They bloody well retired Kade Simpson, and he was playing ten times better at his worst, than Murphy has in the last three years at his best.

I'll cop another year of not making the 8, as long as the message gets through that you don't get a game unless you give 100% for 120 minutes, and if you get beaten, it's not because you didn't give all you had.  At least, we will have a year which we can look on with some pride that they gave their all, but were just not good enough.

Maybe the culture of tossing it in for 10 minutes every quarter and allowing the opposition to run rampant, will have gone.

And who knows, maybe we DO make the 8. Maybe, when we recruit next year, we get blokes wanting to come to the club, not because they are getting $900,000 a year for five years, but because they respect the coach and his staff, and because they respect the tough, hard, uncompromising way that the players play each and every game and they want to be part of THAT culture.

If, week after week, we just keep doing the same thing, if we just keep selecting the same duds week in week out, if the coach keeps sitting transfixed like a statue in the box, if we concentrate more on trying to be all things to all people OFF the field, rather than producing results ON the field, then we have a long, dark future ahead of us, and I am afraid that those of you born after 1990, will never enjoy that which I had the pleasure of enjoying.

Watching the team I love achieve the ultimate success of a premiership.