Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

[laj]

Why? It's round 2.

Who knows when he got sore.

[laj]

Its an inditement on the club that newbies come in and read the riot act to the incumbents. At good clubs, its the other way around.

Let's hope it worked like when Chapman read the riot act to Geelong in 2007 when 2-3, missing finals in 2006, and similar to us in attitude. They have never looked back. Bomber nearly got the sacked after 2006. We found after that what a good coach he was. Sometimes you're at the mercy of your players.

[Baggers]

Let's hope it worked like when Chapman read the riot act to Geelong in 2007 when 2-3, missing finals in 2006, and similar to us in attitude. They have never looked back. Bomber nearly got the sacked after 2006. We found after that what a good coach he was. Sometimes you're at the mercy of your players.

I think if we were really honest we'd have to admit that it is only individual acts from class players that keep us in contests... we do not do it as a team. Gibbo kicks a couple of freak goals, creates something out of nothing... ditto Martin... that kind of thing keeps us in the contest. Saad dashes off half back, give us individual spark... Walsh does the supreme sacrificial and relentless stuff - keeps us in the game... and so on.

Too much left to too few too fckn often.

Glad the newbies dished out home truths to the group.

No player should get a gig on reputation. Regardless of who you are, if you aint producing... out you go, thinking of Casboult as I write that. How has he deserved a gig so far this year? But our selection committee is embarrassingly conservative... ruthlessness includes selection, coaching and on-field efforts. The President and CEO should be reading the coaching group the riot act. We just might have the worst coaching group in the caper at present... bereft of strong and uncompromising leadership, seriously bereft.

[Gointocarlton]

I think if we were really honest we'd have to admit that it is only individual acts from class players that keep us in contests... we do not do it as a team. Gibbo kicks a couple of freak goals, creates something out of nothing... ditto Martin... that kind of thing keeps us in the contest. Saad dashes off half back, give us individual spark... Walsh does the supreme sacrificial and relentless stuff - keeps us in the game... and so on.

Too much left to too few to fckn often.

Glad the newbies dished out home truths to the group.

No player should get a gig on reputation. Regardless of who you are, if you aint producing... out you go, thinking of Casboult as I write that. How has he deserved a gig so far this year? But our selection committee is embarrassingly conservative... ruthlessness includes selection, coaching and on-field efforts. The President and CEO should be reading the coaching group the riot act. We just might have the worst coaching group in the caper at present... bereft of strong and uncompromising leadership, seriously bereft.

BANG!

[BluePhantom]

Yes, playing culture is the next thing. We need to weed out those that don't have that passion to win at all costs, rather than at their choosing, and put them in the twos. A highly committed Carlton can beat anyone. Sadly we aren't that highly committed anywhere near as often as we should be.

Weeding out players?
How @#$$ing long have we been talking about that. We are on about our 5th generation of players.
20 yrs of players not wanting it?  I call BS.
Something at Carlton make them feel safe. Big club, great facilities, great location. They feel like they've made and can now relax. Riding on the coast tails of our history.
Put everyone on a performance based contract and watch their game improve.

[Lods]

Oh well, better late than never...lol.

Pretty honest feedback at the meeting today. New blokes, who have come from different cultures had plenty to say.

If players from clubs like GWS and Gold Coast...clubs with the history of a three minute egg...are lecturing our blokes about culture we have a problem.

Hopefully it was someone like  Fogarty who was most vocal.

These types of feedbacks can be constructive but it requires a fair degree of 'give' from the players receiving the message otherwise it can cause resentment and division.

I'm not sure we have a playing group who are all on the same page.
That's understandable given the turnover and additions that have taken place in recent years.
Hopefully that rectifies itself in the months ahead.
I'm also wondering whether at the end of this season it wouldn't be a good idea to have a change from the Cripps/Docherty to a Walsh/Weitering (not in a co-captain, but a Captain/ VC situation).
That sets us up for a change to a new and possibly 10 year+ stability in leadership.
That's one element in a culture change.

[DJC]

He's better than scomo

Damning with faint praise 

[Baggers]

If players from clubs like GWS and Gold Coast...clubs with the history of a three minute egg...are lecturing our blokes about culture we have a problem.

Hopefully it was someone like  Fogarty who was most vocal.

These types of feedbacks can be constructive but it requires a fair degree of 'give' from the players receiving the message otherwise it can cause resentment and division.

I'm not sure we have a playing group who are all on the same page.
That's understandable given the turnover and additions that have taken place in recent years.
Hopefully that rectifies itself in the months ahead.
I'm also wondering whether at the end of this season it wouldn't be a good idea to have a change from the Cripps/Docherty to a Walsh/Weitering (not in a co-captain, but a Captain/ VC situation).
That sets us up for a change to a new and possibly 10 year+ stability in leadership.
That's one element in a culture change.

So many very successful organisations have a 360 degree feedback culture/policy and learn how to make it authentic/constructive/motivating and respectful... and fun. Properly facilitated by properly qualified people/organisations, 360 feedback sessions can make all the difference. Look how a powerful and constructive 360 degree feedback intervention turned both the PussyCats and Tiggers around. An incredible tool to get everyone on the same page and build a camaraderie that truly creates a team, and not a bunch of individuals or groups within groups at a club (or any organisation for that matter).

Properly facilitated 360 degree sessions can and do gradually expose hidden agendas, fears, personal issues, covert hostilities/resentments whilst also building a culture of safety and trust and profound unity - indeed, a community. Managing the confronting aspects of 360 feedback is a particular skill. Anyone can be brutal, but in my experience brutal only creates bigger problems and issues. You can be authentic, effective and honest without resorting to brutality. Poorly handled, 360 feedback can be extremely destructive and create lasting wounds... look what happened when Adelaide called in rank amateurs!

[Gointocarlton]

Weeding out players?
How @#$$ing long have we been talking about that. We are on about our 5th generation of players.
20 yrs of players not wanting it?  I call BS.
Something at Carlton make them feel safe. Big club, great facilities, great location. They feel like they've made and can now relax. Riding on the coast tails of our history.
Put everyone on a performance based contract and watch their game improve.

My mate has been saying this very thing to me for for 20 years, ad nauseam. That and the fact that our blokes lack ticker and kent.

[Gointocarlton]

So many very successful organisations have a 360 degree feedback culture/policy and learn how to make it authentic/constructive/motivating and respectful... and fun. Properly facilitated by properly qualified people/organisations, 360 feedback sessions can make all the difference. Look how a powerful and constructive 360 degree feedback intervention turned both the PussyCats and Tiggers around. An incredible tool to get everyone on the same page and build a camaraderie that truly creates a team, and not a bunch of individuals or groups within groups at a club (or any organisation for that matter).

Properly facilitated 360 degree sessions can and do gradually expose hidden agendas, fears, personal issues, covert hostilities/resentments whilst also building a culture of safety and trust and profound unity - indeed, a community. Managing the confronting aspects of 360 feedback is a particular skill. Anyone can be brutal, but in my experience brutal only creates bigger problems and issues. You can be authentic, effective and honest without resorting to brutality. Poorly handled, 360 feedback can be extremely destructive and create lasting wounds... look what happened when Adelaide called in rank amateurs!

We did it years ago, it didn't work (Leading Teams same as Geelong).