CV and mad panic behaviour

[flyboy77]

Because it's a State matter, just like the bushfires.

And just like the US.

[LP]

Because it's a State matter, just like the bushfires.

And just like the US.

The US Centre for Disease Control (CDC) is a Federal body!

In Australia outbreaks like SARS-CoV-2 has been covered by the National Health Security Act since 2007.

The Australian response is set out in Emergency Response Plan for Communicable Disease Incidents of National Significance which states, which states that,

"The Minister for Health is the lead Minister for a domestic public health incident that requires a whole-of-government response."

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main...cdplan.htm

[Thryleon]

I tend to blame ScoMo more than Andrews, he pushed for a reopening due to the economic effects and Andrews was forced to comply after being the Jacinda Ardern of Australia and enforcing the tightest lockdown of all states.
Speaking of Ardern she nailed it with stage 4 from late March and NZ have had 17 days with no cases, its the only proven way with no vaccine and both Victoria and NSW need to adopt same for a couple of months at least.
We cant be opening, locking down, opening, locking down and repeating the cycle, we need to go hard now and the economy is going to have to get worse and yes we will pay for it later but thats the scenario IMO.

I dont think erecting a bubble is practical either though.

Think of it this way.  NZ are now back at the start again.  The second they open up internationally, they will go through it all over again.

We dont have the virus under control, but we might be limiting its ability to impact, and resuming our ability to get back to normal through the exposure.  Our hospitals are still not under significant pressure, and we are all healthy enough.

Perhaps the yo yo lock downs is the best way forward.

You cannot lock it out forever but we wont find out until a little way down the track.

(on a side note, no vaccine will be adequately produced and trialled for years).

[LP]

Perhaps the yo yo lock downs is the best way forward.

You cannot lock it out forever but we wont find out until a little way down the track.

(on a side note, no vaccine will be adequately produced and trialled for years).

 Agreed, it's a bit like averaging on the stock market, you won't make huge windfalls or losses, just steady progress with reduced risk.

[Jack Burton]

I reckon there are 110 families who would not agree with "we are all healthy enough"

[flyboy77]

The US Centre for Disease Control (CDC) is a Federal body!

In Australia outbreaks like SARS-CoV-2 has been covered by the National Health Security Act since 2007.

The Australian response is set out in Emergency Response Plan for Communicable Disease Incidents of National Significance which states, which states that,

"The Minister for Health is the lead Minister for a domestic public health incident that requires a whole-of-government response."

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main...cdplan.htm

And?

The States have primary responsibility for Health and Education - and bushfires ie land management. Etc etc.

Of course the Commonwealth has an overriding national pandemic function. And no doubt if Dan screws up again, the Feds would likely step in. As they should.

You're stating the obvious....again.

[LP]

I reckon there are 110 families who would not agree with "we are all healthy enough"

 
In one aspect I agree, but I also agree with Thry's sentiment, so far we are fairing better than average not wishing to jinx us.

I'd assert though it's because of the actions of our governments, regardless of whether you think they could do better or not, make better decisions or not, they clearly haven't been indifferent or asleep at the wheel like The Donald. Nobody in Australia has really taken the position that the little people are collateral damage, in the same way that the US system has enshrined loss of life as a collateral cost of profit and liberty!

Of course we cannot ignore China, but that solution comes at the very high cost of freedom.

[LP]

And?

The States have primary responsibility for Health and Education - and bushfires ie land management. Etc etc.

Of course the Commonwealth has an overriding national pandemic function. And no doubt if Dan screws up again, the Feds would likely step in. As they should.

You're stating the obvious....again.

Because it's a State matter, just like the bushfires.

You just make so many false claims to support false assumptions there are too many to debate, there is nothing correct about what you posted but you're mired in defending your false conclusions. If you polish the scratches out of that broken record it will move to the next track!

[Thryleon]

I reckon there are 110 families who would not agree with "we are all healthy enough"

Fair point.

Tough gig this isnt it?

[Gointocarlton]

Only anecdotes but here on the Island only about 2 weeks ago we had some holidaymakers flouting quarantine guidelines by having secret backyard parties and so on. Every day Aussies. We had a bunch a few doors down and we just couldn't believe it and before you ask... all Aussies, no English is their 2nd or 3rd language stuff going on. The one thing I did notice, it was younger people having the clandestine parties... almost showing off. And only today I spoke with a friend from Prahran who said she couldn't believe the number of people, again younger ones, going about their business in the shopping precincts as if nothing is wrong... not a mask in sight! So what do you do about these people who know better but just don't seem to give a cr@p? You can't hang a Premier or a Prime Minister for not being able to control these clowns, they can only get advice from those who know (medical and police) and implement it, the rest is up to civic compliance.

I guess it depends where you live, I'm inner north and my Woollies and Bunnings are as dead as I have ever seem them.