One day squad..No Maxwell????

[Professer E]

As EB mentioned the Woakes type who can bowl and slog 20 or 30 is all the rage.  Coulter-Nile bowls slippery pace and can swing lustily might be worth a go, but I think his shoulder is bust ATM?  That's the kind of bowler you need to be thinking about for  modern ODI squads.

The days of  Malinga, Lee, Tait and the Pakis bowling screaming Yorkers and going through sides with 150 + km/hr stuff seems to be part of a previous era now - the rubbish is too easily put away and the edges and mis-hits go for boundaries.

[LP]

As EB mentioned the Woakes type who can bowl and slog 20 or 30 is all the rage.  Coulter-Nile bowls slippery pace and can swing lustily might be worth a go, but I think his shoulder is bust ATM?  That's the kind of bowler you need to be thinking about for  modern ODI squads.

The days of  Malinga, Lee, Tait and the Pakis bowling screaming Yorkers and going through sides with 150 + km/hr stuff seems to be part of a previous era now - the rubbish is too easily put away and the edges and mis-hits go for boundaries.

I'm 100% in agreement.

I'm not claiming Starc wouldn't be effective when conditions suit, but conditions have to suit him and in most countries 8 out of 10 games don't suit him. For me the ODI Coutler-Niles and Stoinis types need more exposure and it should come at the expense of players like Smith, Marsh and Starc.

I read an article today in which Smith allegedly questioned England's tactics stating they may not hold up. But he's hardly in a position of strength to make such a sweeping statement. I suspect he's been coached to make a statement that is nothing more than deflection!

[laj]

I'm 100% in agreement.

I'm not claiming Starc wouldn't be effective when conditions suit, but conditions have to suit him and in most countries 8 out of 10 games don't suit him. For me the ODI Coutler-Niles and Stoinis types need more exposure and it should come at the expense of players like Smith, Marsh and Starc.

I read an article today in which Smith allegedly questioned England's tactics stating they may not hold up. But he's hardly in a position of strength to make such a sweeping statement. I suspect he's been coached to make a statement that is nothing more than deflection!

Starc's never had an ODI issue in any country hence his outstanding average, economy and strike rate. As for Tests, his best Series comfortably was the last Sri Lankan Tour.

[LP]

Starc's never had an ODI issue in any country hence his outstanding average, economy and strike rate. As for Tests, his best Series comfortably was the last Sri Lankan Tour.

Starc's a good ODI bowler, a great finisher to the low order, but I think he's well away from where we need him to be when bowling to the top order.

Starc's figures are greatly bolstered by those cheap wickets he picks up at the bottom end of the innings. Not that isn't in someway valuable but the figures are distorted, when you drill down from the general match stats into the details this becomes quite apparent. Lots of those four wicket hauls are three tail enders.

We need another bowler or two that make it harder for the top order, for the tail end I'd back in most of our better ODI and 20/20 bowlers to clean up the tail if they were given the opportunity!

[laj]

Starc's a good ODI bowler, a great finisher to the low order, but I think he's well away from where we need him to be when bowling to the top order.

Starc's figures are greatly bolstered by those cheap wickets he picks up at the bottom end of the innings. Not that isn't in someway valuable but the figures are distorted, when you drill down from the general match stats into the details this becomes quite apparent. Lots of those four wicket hauls are three tail enders.

We need another bowler or two that make it harder for the top order, for the tail end I'd back in most of our better ODI and 20/20 bowlers to clean up the tail if they were given the opportunity!

That lower order stuff is a myth. He gets alot at the top order too. Brendon McCullum will testify to that. In the preliminary game too he single handed near won the game for Australia after we only made 150. Good reason he was Man if the Series at the last World Cup. He has 141 ODI wickets, economy rate of 4.93 a strike rate of a very low 25 balls per wicket. You don't get that just bowling out the lower order.

Hate to say it but this pie chart makes you claims about Starc look very wrong. Bottom order wickets you say?...lol.

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistic...yerID=3830

[Professer E]

As predicted,  Langer is a lying snake. Just pick the WA state side and forget a "national team".

Wouldn't pick Maxwell because he hasn't scored enough runs (I can understand that), and "he's 30". Has also pigeon hole him as a "frustrating cricketer" yet continually pushes up the Marsh brothers,  one old enough to be a grandparent and both the epitome of frustration.

Predicted this kind of BS pre his appointment.  Every time he opens his mouth it's BS and obsfucation.

[LP]

That lower order stuff is a myth. He gets alot at the top order too. Brendon McCullum will testify to that. In the preliminary game too he single handed near won the game for Australia after we only made 150. Good reason he was Man if the Series at the last World Cup. He has 141 ODI wickets, economy rate of 4.93 a strike rate of a very low 25 balls per wicket. You don't get that just bowling out the lower order.

Hate to say it but this pie chart makes you claims about Starc look very wrong. Bottom order wickets you say?...lol.

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistic...yerID=3830

Sorry I just saw this reply.

Bottom of the Innings is not the same as bottom of the order, low order or bottom order!

When I referred to Starc against the top order I'm discussing his bowling early in the innings against openers, my bad for the poor choice of phrase.

He collects their wickets and plenty of other wickets but often collects wickets late in the innings often after otherwise expensive opening spells with the new ball. This has always been his issue, spraying the new ball, and in my opinion it stops him being right up their with Australia's greatest bowlers.

Predicted this kind of BS pre his appointment.  Every time he opens his mouth it's BS and obsfucation.

I'm a strong cynic of his appointment and even I'm shocked at how quickly this has happened.

NSW boys must be fired up, they'll be like cut snakes as they have a bunch of redundant Baggy Green caps sitting in brown paper bags somewhere. But perhaps this is about Smith and Warner, creating an environment and results that ultimately lead to their seamless resumption, because it's hard to see much success with the Marsh boys on the front line!

[flyboy77]

That lower order stuff is a myth. He gets alot at the top order too. Brendon McCullum will testify to that. In the preliminary game too he single handed near won the game for Australia after we only made 150. Good reason he was Man if the Series at the last World Cup. He has 141 ODI wickets, economy rate of 4.93 a strike rate of a very low 25 balls per wicket. You don't get that just bowling out the lower order.

Hate to say it but this pie chart makes you claims about Starc look very wrong. Bottom order wickets you say?...lol.

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistic...yerID=3830

great site, thanks!

[Professer E]

If Maxwell had the opportunities at test level the Marsh boys got.... Any FUs from that pair in Dubai and let's see if Langer has the stones to dump his mates.

[LP]

If Maxwell had the opportunities at test level the Marsh boys got.... Any FUs from that pair in Dubai and let's see if Langer has the stones to dump his mates.

It won't happen.

For example, I expect at least one or two horrible and awkward run-outs involving a Marsh through a series, given two of them might play in the same game probably even more than one or two. But you can bet it'll be the other batsmen that gets the blame!

That comment about a youth focus was laughable wasn't it, given young Handscomb is out, while others in the elder statesmen bracket get to continue decade long horrible runs of form!